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Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds to deficit
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Lon Jimmes
2011-01-24 22:10:52 UTC
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HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit





OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.




LINK: http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Gray Ghost
2011-01-25 00:47:56 UTC
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Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-o
bamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Not Sanders
2011-01-25 01:20:16 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-o
bamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
Gray Ghost
2011-01-25 03:20:57 UTC
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Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-o
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
bamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.

Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
unknown
2011-01-25 10:08:02 UTC
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:20:57 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-o
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
bamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
The word is "lying", moron.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

like I said, you people keep getting more pathetic every day.

If that were even possible......
Gray Ghost
2011-01-25 15:50:36 UTC
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Post by unknown
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:20:57 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-o
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
bamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
The word is "lying", moron.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
like I said, you people keep getting more pathetic every day.
If that were even possible......
Says the nitwit that says that high crime rates in major cities are the
result of the number of legal guns being carried by citizens.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
unknown
2011-01-25 16:13:02 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:50:36 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by unknown
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:20:57 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-o
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
bamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
The word is "lying", moron.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
like I said, you people keep getting more pathetic every day.
If that were even possible......
Says the nitwit that says that high crime rates in major cities are the
result of the number of legal guns being carried by citizens.
you put the word "legal" in there moron. The issue was about guns in
general in the population and being carried at will. You people care
nothing about legal. Anything legal as in legal carry means
government intervention and rules enforcement and we know what you
people think of the government telling you what you can do.
Gray Ghost
2011-01-25 16:31:42 UTC
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Post by unknown
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:50:36 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by unknown
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:20:57 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-o
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
bamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
The word is "lying", moron.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
like I said, you people keep getting more pathetic every day.
If that were even possible......
Says the nitwit that says that high crime rates in major cities are the
result of the number of legal guns being carried by citizens.
you put the word "legal" in there moron. The issue was about guns in
general in the population and being carried at will. You people care
nothing about legal. Anything legal as in legal carry means
government intervention and rules enforcement and we know what you
people think of the government telling you what you can do.
So you are not actually going to address the issue?

This is what I wrote:

Yeah, we heard that in VA. All them good old boy white boys would be
gunnin' down the darkies left and right. And getting away with it.

Perhaps you could provide some evidence of your nattering. The number of
states with shall issue permits has steadily increased over the last 25
years. The number of people with permits (or legally carrying without
permits) has increased remarkably in the last 25 years.

Surely you have some evidence to support your claim that more legal CCW
means more deaths?

Basically your "claim" is without merit. It is factually and demonstrably
false. Or it's a lie. Or it's a sign of extreme stupidity.

So are you in Deep Dudu or are you full of dudu?

***

Now the next question is do you have the honesty, integrity and
intellectual ability to address what I wrote or will you, as lefties tend
do when confronted with inconvenient facts, go off on another tangent?
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Lookout
2011-01-25 17:28:47 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:31:42 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by unknown
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:50:36 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by unknown
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:20:57 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-o
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
bamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
The word is "lying", moron.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
like I said, you people keep getting more pathetic every day.
If that were even possible......
Says the nitwit that says that high crime rates in major cities are the
result of the number of legal guns being carried by citizens.
you put the word "legal" in there moron. The issue was about guns in
general in the population and being carried at will. You people care
nothing about legal. Anything legal as in legal carry means
government intervention and rules enforcement and we know what you
people think of the government telling you what you can do.
So you are not actually going to address the issue?
Yeah, we heard that in VA. All them good old boy white boys would be
gunnin' down the darkies left and right. And getting away with it.
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of your nattering. The number of
states with shall issue permits has steadily increased over the last 25
years. The number of people with permits (or legally carrying without
permits) has increased remarkably in the last 25 years.
And the numbers of dead continue to rise.

Thanks for proving him right.
Post by Gray Ghost
Surely you have some evidence to support your claim that more legal CCW
means more deaths?
Basically your "claim" is without merit. It is factually and demonstrably
false. Or it's a lie. Or it's a sign of extreme stupidity.
So are you in Deep Dudu or are you full of dudu?
***
Now the next question is do you have the honesty, integrity and
intellectual ability to address what I wrote or will you, as lefties tend
do when confronted with inconvenient facts, go off on another tangent?
bpuharic
2011-01-26 11:31:13 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:50:36 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Says the nitwit that says that high crime rates in major cities are the
result of the number of legal guns being carried by citizens.
which is true. i ran a regression yesterday plotting gun ownership/100
people vs murder rate for 10 western countries. the R2 value of this
relationship was 0.89.

so having guns explains why the US has the highest murder rate in the
west
bpuharic
2011-01-26 11:29:26 UTC
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:20:57 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
notice the white boy, bush, gets a pass for CAUSING problems

obama, the black guy, gets blamed for SOLVING them
Phlip
2011-01-26 14:09:22 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
notice the white boy, bush, gets  a pass for CAUSING problems
obama, the black guy, gets blamed for SOLVING them
Nownownow - you are just playing The Race Card!

Not GG, who likes to masturbate while calling our president "Oboobuh",
and indulging in a fake minstrel accent. You!
Gray Ghost
2011-01-26 20:07:14 UTC
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Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
notice the white boy, bush, gets  a pass for CAUSING problems
obama, the black guy, gets blamed for SOLVING them
Nownownow - you are just playing The Race Card!
Well, yeah, he is. Is he saying that black are smarter and more moral?
Post by Phlip
Not GG, who likes to masturbate while calling our president "Oboobuh",
and indulging in a fake minstrel accent. You!
I haven't ever used that particular nickname for Obamoa.

But Phil I do appreciate the brilliant intellectual exchange with you and
Bpuharic. I think between you you may have half a brain.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
bpuharic
2011-01-27 04:01:59 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:07:14 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
notice the white boy, bush, gets  a pass for CAUSING problems
obama, the black guy, gets blamed for SOLVING them
Nownownow - you are just playing The Race Card!
Well, yeah, he is. Is he saying that black are smarter and more moral?
nah racists just blame obama for all of bush's failures
Señor Herrrrerrra
2011-01-27 19:08:45 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:07:14 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by bpuharic
Post by Gray Ghost
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
notice the white boy, bush, gets a pass for CAUSING problems
obama, the black guy, gets blamed for SOLVING them
Nownownow - you are just playing The Race Card!
Well, yeah, he is. Is he saying that black are smarter and more moral?
nah racists just blame obama for all of bush's failures
Is Bush still President? When does Obama start making decisions?
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 21:45:09 UTC
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Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:07:14 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by bpuharic
Post by Gray Ghost
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
notice the white boy, bush, gets a pass for CAUSING problems
obama, the black guy, gets blamed for SOLVING them
Nownownow - you are just playing The Race Card!
Well, yeah, he is. Is he saying that black are smarter and more moral?
nah racists just blame obama for all of bush's failures
Is Bush still President? When does Obama start making decisions?
You would think after 2 years Obama would have done something positive.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
bpuharic
2011-01-28 03:18:38 UTC
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:45:09 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
more moral?
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by bpuharic
nah racists just blame obama for all of bush's failures
Is Bush still President? When does Obama start making decisions?
You would think after 2 years Obama would have done something positive
healthcare passed

economy growing at 2.6%

looks positive to me
bpuharic
2011-01-28 03:18:06 UTC
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:08:45 -0700, Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:07:14 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by bpuharic
Post by Gray Ghost
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
notice the white boy, bush, gets a pass for CAUSING problems
obama, the black guy, gets blamed for SOLVING them
Nownownow - you are just playing The Race Card!
Well, yeah, he is. Is he saying that black are smarter and more moral?
nah racists just blame obama for all of bush's failures
Is Bush still President? When does Obama start making decisions?
he is. he's correcting the HUGE destruction caused by bush. bush and
the right did ALOT of damage.
Gray Ghost
2011-01-26 20:04:59 UTC
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Post by unknown
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:20:57 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
notice the white boy, bush, gets a pass for CAUSING problems
obama, the black guy, gets blamed for SOLVING them
Obama is black? Check his BC I think he's listed as Caucasian.

In any case bad ideas have no skin color.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
bpuharic
2011-01-27 04:02:20 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:04:59 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by unknown
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:20:57 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
No Obama is deluded. he thinks he's President 'cuz he's so darn smart.
Durbin actually knows he's lieing.
notice the white boy, bush, gets a pass for CAUSING problems
obama, the black guy, gets blamed for SOLVING them
Obama is black? Check his BC I think he's listed as Caucasian.
In any case bad ideas have no skin color.
then bush was transparent
bpuharic
2011-01-26 11:28:38 UTC
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:20:16 -0700, Not Sanders
Post by Not Sanders
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-o
bamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
Obama is an asshole.
gee. and bush. he did...uh...

nothing except make the rich richer
bpuharic
2011-01-26 11:28:13 UTC
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:47:56 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-o
bamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an asshole.
but he told the truth. the OMB says obamacare will lower the deficit
by 230B over 10 years
LHBDS
2011-01-25 02:10:45 UTC
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Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
LINK: http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
Dick Durbin is an ignorant socialist moron. The people here in Illinois
are just as stupid as the people in Massachusetts are that kept electing
that drunken murderer Ted Kennedy.
Lookout
2011-01-25 03:15:15 UTC
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:10:52 -0800 (PST), Lon Jimmes
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
LINK: http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
That's what the non-partisan CBO has said for months.
Phlip
2011-01-26 14:05:26 UTC
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Post by Lookout
That's what the non-partisan CBO has said for months.
Nonono they are _PARTISAN_ when they agree with Democrats. They are
_NONPARTISAN_ when they agree with Republicans.

(BTW, when was the last time they agreed with the latter?)
Tom McDonald
2011-01-25 03:49:16 UTC
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Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
LINK: http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
--
Tom
Gray Ghost
2011-01-25 06:51:19 UTC
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Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You ever
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
AllSeeing-I
2011-01-25 07:56:30 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You ever
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
I do not think you see the big picture. Payroll deduction for health
care will far exceed the amount necessary to care for people. It will
be a money making proposition and that is why health care will pay off
the deficit.

Can we be sure this ponzi-like-scheme will be profitable?

Sure. Over time, it will become normal to send granny home to die
rather then give her end-of-life medical care. The money saved is
better spent on teachers. That is the theory. If one cannot afford
their own private end of life treatment, well, they will just be "shit
out of luck". Which will be 90% of the population. In a few more years
there will be no one around to say no to this madness. That is because
the population has been dumbed down to accept anything, including
naked body scans at the airport.

When you think about it, it is a rather efficient albeit barbaric
idea. Everyone works and contributes to the society until they can no
longer contribute. When they can no longer pay their way and
contribute to society their funding is cut off so-to-speak.They are
then allowed to simply go home and die like some farm animal that can
no longer do their work in the field.

It will effect everyone. Rather then spend money on a terminally ill
child, the parents will simply take the child home and let it die. The
money saved can be used to build another bridge to nowhere in Alaska.

It will be like living in the 1800's again only this time there will
be cars instead of horses for transportation.

Welcome to the new America, the Mystery Babylon of Revelation
Scout
2011-01-25 11:10:01 UTC
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Post by AllSeeing-I
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal
adds to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You ever
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
I do not think you see the big picture. Payroll deduction for health
care will far exceed the amount necessary to care for people. It will
be a money making proposition and that is why health care will pay off
the deficit.
Hmmm... Let's see. Payroll deduction.....increased health care
expenses....plus paying additional money to the government.....Excuse me,
but where exactly is the cost savings for the poor SOB that's paying for all
this?
Gray Ghost
2011-01-25 15:40:48 UTC
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Post by AllSeeing-I
I do not think you see the big picture. Payroll deduction for health
care will far exceed the amount necessary to care for people. It will
be a money making proposition and that is why health care will pay off
the deficit.
You are an idiot.

Dismissed as irrelevant.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
AllSeeing-I
2011-01-26 05:38:32 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
Post by AllSeeing-I
I do not think you see the big picture. Payroll deduction for health
care will far exceed the amount necessary to care for people. It will
be a money making proposition and that is why health care will pay off
the deficit.
You are an idiot.
THAT would be you
Post by Gray Ghost
Dismissed as irrelevant.
This is a rather intelligent response GG. For a 3rd grader
Gray Ghost
2011-01-26 07:30:21 UTC
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Post by AllSeeing-I
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by AllSeeing-I
I do not think you see the big picture. Payroll deduction for health
care will far exceed the amount necessary to care for people. It will
be a money making proposition and that is why health care will pay off
the deficit.
You are an idiot.
THAT would be you
Post by Gray Ghost
Dismissed as irrelevant.
This is a rather intelligent response GG. For a 3rd grader
Well All smelling Ass, lets start simple:

Where exactly in the Constitution does the federal goverenment granted the
power to manage anybody's healthncare?

Where exactly in the Constitution does the federal goverenment granted the
power to tell me to buy a product offereed by a private company or paya
fine or go to jail?

Where exactly in the Constitution does the federal goverenment granted the
power to compel seek my health care through only a government managed
monopoly.

How does taking even MORE of my paycheck every week, even more of my
personal wealth giving it to the federal government increase my persoanl
wealth?

How does NOT having any choices in my care, only what the government ALLOWS
me increase my chances for better health.

How does putting such authorty in the hands of a government that is
notorious for waste, fraud and abuse help anybody's propects for better
care.

Why are so many organizations that pushed for this now seeking waivers?
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Tom McDonald
2011-01-25 13:52:17 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-says-
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You ever
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
You're wrong. Look up the CBO's scoring of the health care bill.
--
Tom
Loirbaj
2011-01-25 15:08:18 UTC
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KJV best
Gray Ghost
2011-01-25 15:42:29 UTC
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Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You ever
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
You're wrong. Look up the CBO's scoring of the health care bill.
Tommie, when you grow up you will be allowed to play with the big boys.

That will require knowing the difference between shit and Shinola.

Let me know when you have nice shiny shoes.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Lookout
2011-01-25 17:27:35 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:42:29 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You ever
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
You're wrong. Look up the CBO's scoring of the health care bill.
Tommie, when you grow up you will be allowed to play with the big boys.
As usual you have nothing constructive to add. All you can do is close
your eyes and scream NAHNAHNAHNAHNAHNAH

Let's try this again. Explain why the CBO's numbers are wrong.
Tom McDonald
2011-01-25 17:42:07 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You ever
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
You're wrong. Look up the CBO's scoring of the health care bill.
Tommie, when you grow up you will be allowed to play with the big boys.
That will require knowing the difference between shit and Shinola.
Let me know when you have nice shiny shoes.
So you have no idea what the non-partisan CBO report on the effects of the
health care bill said. And you have no intention of finding out.

No wonder your shoes smell.
--
Tom
Gray Ghost
2011-01-25 19:09:08 UTC
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$rC5.763
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal adds
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You ever
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
You're wrong. Look up the CBO's scoring of the health care bill.
Tommie, when you grow up you will be allowed to play with the big boys.
That will require knowing the difference between shit and Shinola.
Let me know when you have nice shiny shoes.
So you have no idea what the non-partisan CBO report on the effects of the
health care bill said. And you have no intention of finding out.
I know exactly what it says. I don't beleive it. I can find no documentable
case where government involvement/interference has lowered anyone's costs.

Common sense tells us that government involvement is the forst step toward
overprived and incompetent service.
Post by Tom McDonald
No wonder your shoes smell.
Why is that, because I exercise in them?
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Tom McDonald
2011-01-25 20:09:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gray Ghost
$rC5.763
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal
adds
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You
ever
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
You're wrong. Look up the CBO's scoring of the health care bill.
Tommie, when you grow up you will be allowed to play with the big boys.
That will require knowing the difference between shit and Shinola.
Let me know when you have nice shiny shoes.
So you have no idea what the non-partisan CBO report on the effects of
the
Post by Tom McDonald
health care bill said. And you have no intention of finding out.
I know exactly what it says. I don't beleive it. I can find no documentable
case where government involvement/interference has lowered anyone's costs.
Common sense tells us that government involvement is the forst step toward
overprived and incompetent service.
Cool. So you believe in anything you like, whether or not it is supported by
evidence. Good to know.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
No wonder your shoes smell.
Why is that, because I exercise in them?
You do jumping jacks in bullshit? Now why does that not surprise me.
--
Tom
Gray Ghost
2011-01-25 21:34:52 UTC
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Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
$rC5.763
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal
adds
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin
-
says-
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You
ever
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
You're wrong. Look up the CBO's scoring of the health care bill.
Tommie, when you grow up you will be allowed to play with the big boys.
That will require knowing the difference between shit and Shinola.
Let me know when you have nice shiny shoes.
So you have no idea what the non-partisan CBO report on the effects of
the
Post by Tom McDonald
health care bill said. And you have no intention of finding out.
I know exactly what it says. I don't beleive it. I can find no
documentable case where government involvement/interference has lowered
anyone's costs.
Common sense tells us that government involvement is the forst step
toward overprived and incompetent service.
Cool. So you believe in anything you like, whether or not it is
supported by evidence. Good to know.
Medicare? Postal Service? DMV?
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
No wonder your shoes smell.
Why is that, because I exercise in them?
You do jumping jacks in bullshit? Now why does that not surprise me.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Tom McDonald
2011-01-26 20:24:55 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
$rC5.763
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal
adds
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin
-
says-
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You
ever
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
You're wrong. Look up the CBO's scoring of the health care bill.
Tommie, when you grow up you will be allowed to play with the big boys.
That will require knowing the difference between shit and Shinola.
Let me know when you have nice shiny shoes.
So you have no idea what the non-partisan CBO report on the effects of
the
Post by Tom McDonald
health care bill said. And you have no intention of finding out.
I know exactly what it says. I don't beleive it. I can find no
documentable case where government involvement/interference has lowered
anyone's costs.
Common sense tells us that government involvement is the forst step
toward overprived and incompetent service.
Cool. So you believe in anything you like, whether or not it is
supported by evidence. Good to know.
Medicare? Postal Service? DMV?
QED

;-)
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
No wonder your shoes smell.
Why is that, because I exercise in them?
You do jumping jacks in bullshit? Now why does that not surprise me.
--
Tom
Gray Ghost
2011-01-26 20:48:11 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
$rC5.763
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal
adds
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-
durbin
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
-
says-
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You
ever
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
You're wrong. Look up the CBO's scoring of the health care bill.
Tommie, when you grow up you will be allowed to play with the big boys.
That will require knowing the difference between shit and Shinola.
Let me know when you have nice shiny shoes.
So you have no idea what the non-partisan CBO report on the effects of
the
Post by Tom McDonald
health care bill said. And you have no intention of finding out.
I know exactly what it says. I don't beleive it. I can find no
documentable case where government involvement/interference has lowered
anyone's costs.
Common sense tells us that government involvement is the forst step
toward overprived and incompetent service.
Cool. So you believe in anything you like, whether or not it is
supported by evidence. Good to know.
Medicare? Postal Service? DMV?
QED
Quietly Eroding Democracy?

These are, you think, examples of government management at it's finest?

Skip to the last line of my sig.
;-)
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
No wonder your shoes smell.
Why is that, because I exercise in them?
You do jumping jacks in bullshit? Now why does that not surprise me.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Loirbaj
2011-01-26 21:29:44 UTC
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It would point to a creator instead of to evolution --Recovered Atheist
Lookout
2011-01-25 21:14:24 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:09:08 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
$rC5.763
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
HEADLINE: Dick Durbin says Obamacare lowers deficit; says repeal
adds
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
to deficit
OVERVIEW: Dick Durbin said in a TV interview that Obamacare is a
deficit-reducer, while the GOP efforts to want to repeal the law
actually increase the US deficit.
http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/dick-durbin-
says-
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Lon Jimmes
obamacare-lowers-deficit-says-repeal-adds-to-deficit
He's right.
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt. Uh huh. You
ever
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
wonder why nobody takes you seriously?
You're wrong. Look up the CBO's scoring of the health care bill.
Tommie, when you grow up you will be allowed to play with the big boys.
That will require knowing the difference between shit and Shinola.
Let me know when you have nice shiny shoes.
So you have no idea what the non-partisan CBO report on the effects of
the
Post by Tom McDonald
health care bill said. And you have no intention of finding out.
I know exactly what it says. I don't beleive it. I can find no documentable
case where government involvement/interference has lowered anyone's costs.
Stop changing the subject. Show that the CBO is wrong.
Post by Gray Ghost
Common sense tells us that government involvement is the forst step toward
overprived and incompetent service.
Maybe you're dumbass redneck common sense tells you that.
Then again your dumbass redneck common sense tells you to fuck your
cousins.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
No wonder your shoes smell.
Why is that, because I exercise in them?
You need to exercise your mind for a change.
Phlip
2011-01-26 14:06:31 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.

Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.

Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
Gray Ghost
2011-01-26 20:03:48 UTC
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Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
The government has never sabed anyone money.
Post by Phlip
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
You don't get out much do you? Tell us all about National Health in the UK
and how well France, Sapin, Porugal and |Greece are doing.
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
Not yet.

Aside from the fact that I would like to obtain my medical care from any
source oyther than the government.

But that choice is going away, isn't it?

So what was all that rah-rah about "choice". Just another cute political
slogan?
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
bpuharic
2011-01-27 04:02:59 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:03:48 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
The government has never sabed anyone money.
Post by Phlip
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
You don't get out much do you? Tell us all about National Health in the UK
and how well France, Sapin, Porugal and |Greece are doing.
as good as here, at about half the cost
Phlip
2011-01-27 18:05:45 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:03:48 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
The government has never sabed anyone money.
Post by Phlip
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
You don't get out much do you? Tell us all about National Health in the UK
and how well France, Sapin, Porugal and |Greece are doing.
as good as here, at about half the cost
Zero medical bankruptcies.

Explanation? Are people forbidden to pay for operations, so they die
instead of go bankrupt or something?
Señor Herrrrerrra
2011-01-27 19:11:23 UTC
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Post by Phlip
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:03:48 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
The government has never sabed anyone money.
Post by Phlip
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
You don't get out much do you? Tell us all about National Health in the UK
and how well France, Sapin, Porugal and |Greece are doing.
as good as here, at about half the cost
Zero medical bankruptcies.
Explanation? Are people forbidden to pay for operations, so they die
instead of go bankrupt or something?
Over 54 years of age in Socialized medicine you live with what you got,
until you die, unless you can contribute something to the Socialist
country that makes your life worth saving.
bpuharic
2011-01-28 03:19:48 UTC
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:11:23 -0700, Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Phlip
Explanation? Are people forbidden to pay for operations, so they die
instead of go bankrupt or something?
Over 54 years of age in Socialized medicine you live with what you got,
until you die, unless you can contribute something to the Socialist
country that makes your life worth saving.
let's see. we dont have socialized medicine

we have the least efficient, most expensive healthcare in the world

now, tell me...other than making people RICH...what about this is
attractive to you?

Señor Herrrrerrra
2011-01-27 19:10:07 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:03:48 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
The government has never sabed anyone money.
Post by Phlip
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
You don't get out much do you? Tell us all about National Health in the UK
and how well France, Sapin, Porugal and |Greece are doing.
as good as here, at about half the cost
Canada has at least one MRI machine, but why do foreign leaders come to
the United States for medical care?
Scout
2011-01-27 19:38:00 UTC
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Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:03:48 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
The government has never sabed anyone money.
Post by Phlip
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
You don't get out much do you? Tell us all about National Health in
the UK and how well France, Sapin, Porugal and |Greece are doing.
as good as here, at about half the cost
Canada has at least one MRI machine, but why do foreign leaders come
to the United States for medical care?
They don't want to wait an average of 10 weeks just to get an MRI?

Don't even ask how long they would have to wait after that for a surgical
proceedure.
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 21:49:40 UTC
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Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:03:48 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
The government has never sabed anyone money.
Post by Phlip
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
You don't get out much do you? Tell us all about National Health in
the UK and how well France, Sapin, Porugal and |Greece are doing.
as good as here, at about half the cost
Canada has at least one MRI machine, but why do foreign leaders come to
the United States for medical care?
Because any average size US city has more MRI machines than all of Canada.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 21:48:08 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:03:48 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
The government has never sabed anyone money.
Post by Phlip
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
You don't get out much do you? Tell us all about National Health in the UK
and how well France, Sapin, Porugal and |Greece are doing.
as good as here, at about half the cost
Did you miss the news about Greece, Portugal, France and Spain experiencing
financial problems, cutting back on services, the rioting?

Well you probably missed it even the liberal media carried some of it. You
were to busy listening to Beck, Limbaugh and the rest of the Fox
commentators and they didn't cover it at all.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Scout
2011-01-26 20:09:36 UTC
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Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
Yea, and have worse health care generally.

Just look at the wait times in Canada.

"Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and
treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed,
fell from 17.9 weeks in 2004 back to the 17.7 weeks last seen in 2003."
2005 Fraser Institure.

Who wants to wait 17 weeks for treatment?
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system, which
covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care and curbs the
role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of provincial budgets,
or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Gray Ghost
2011-01-26 20:23:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
Yea, and have worse health care generally.
Just look at the wait times in Canada.
"Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and
treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed,
fell from 17.9 weeks in 2004 back to the 17.7 weeks last seen in 2003."
2005 Fraser Institure.
Who wants to wait 17 weeks for treatment?
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care and
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the US
for treatment.

A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Andre Lieven
2011-01-26 23:56:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
Yea, and have worse health care generally.
Just look at the wait times in Canada.
"Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and
treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed,
fell from 17.9 weeks in 2004 back to the 17.7 weeks last seen in 2003."
2005 Fraser Institure.
Who wants to wait 17 weeks for treatment?
I just saw my doc yesterday, and my appointment was only made
three weeks ago. It wasn't urgent, just due for a physical.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care and
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the US
for treatment.
U.S. health care lies about Canada
Posted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/05/12/health-care-lies-about-canda.aspx#ixzz1CBklGo9z

Another American blowhard

Just who is this jerk, Rick Scott of propaganda-mongering
Conservatives for Patients’ Rights? He and his group are
fabricating negatives about Canada’s health care system
and I resent this. I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years. I can vouch that the system is more
than adequate and is not run by civil servants but by doctors
who are able to treat everyone, rich or poor.

Mr. Scott, and other conservatives (code for rich) are against
universal health care without any justification whatsoever.
Their criticisms are in accurate and should not be broadcast.

Where are the ethics in network broadcasting? I saw one of
Scott’s ads on CNN recently and wondered why the same
curation of content was not imposed on CNN advertising
messages as is upheld editorially. If CNN is unwilling to vet
content, then where is the FCC?

The real story

Here are the facts as to why Canada’s medical system, far
from perfect, is dramatically better than America’s:

1. It is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire
population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.
2. Canada’s health care system which fully looks after 32
million people costs roughly what the private-sector health
insurance companies make in profits in the United States
looking after less than half the population for excessive
premiums.
3. Canada’s health care system is cheaper still if the
litigation costs of fighting over medical bills is eliminated as
it is when the government is the sole-insurer. Estimates are
that court costs and judgments add another 2 to 3% of GDP
to the total medical tab.
4. Canada’s health care system enhances economic
productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still
change employers and be employable because they are not
rejected by employers with health benefits due to pre-conditions.
5. Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than
in the U.S.
6. Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart
disease, are better than in the United States.
7. Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
8. No emergency is neglected in Canada.
9. Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to
blue-ribbon U.S. health care but that’s no comparing apples
with apples. More appropriately, the overall population’s care
should be compared and there are tens of millions of
Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.
10. No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills
whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due
to unpaid, high medical bills.
11. Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and
to seek multiple opinions.
12. Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than
American counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at
least a year in order to qualify to practice in Canada.
13. Drugs made and invented in the United States are
cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal
health care means volume discounts and savings passed
along to society. Americans are overpaying.
14. Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt
system where the highest risk people – veterans, the indigent
and elderly – are insured by governments but the “gravy” or
young, healthy people are handed over to private insurance
companies.

Is Canada’s system perfect? No and nobody said it was.

Networks should stop allowing propagandists to tell lies
and any arguments about other countries’ practices should
be ignored as totally irrelevant.

The United States is a rich and talented nation and it’s very
upsetting to me, as an American, that it does not have the
world’s best medical care for its citizens instead of one of
the worst.

Americans deserve better.
Post by Gray Ghost
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
-That which is asserted against the evidence can be dismissed
without further evidence.-

Andre
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 03:11:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?

The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.

Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.

Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer treatment
amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast cancer were treated
improperly.

Yeah, it's a fine system.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Loirbaj
2011-01-27 03:20:36 UTC
Permalink
Andrew directly cited Bud at,
"Budikka666"
You know what would truly make us special - if we were fundamentally
different.
<>
How miraculous that would be? It would set us apart from everything
else! It would point to a creator instead of to evolution.
"It would point to a creator instead of to evolution." <------- Budikka
Andrew concludes
Humans ARE "fundamentally different" from the rest of creation. Humans
can plan grand enterprises, go to the moon. We can send probes into
outer
space, think abstract thoughts. And we can worship our wonderful Creator.
Budikka has hereby acknowledged that, if there is evidence that humans
are "fundamentally different"....."It would point to a "miraculous"
creation
by a "creator instead of to evolution."
Thank you Budikka!
Well that is one (used to be) atheist now converted.
Tom McDonald
2011-01-27 03:29:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong. What's
the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Post by Gray Ghost
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer treatment
amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast cancer were treated
improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
--
Tom
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 03:43:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong.
What's the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Well, if you post something that is true...
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatment amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast
cancer were treated improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
So Stronach didn't go to the US to treat her breast cancer?
So Canada Health didn't acknowledge fucking up at least 30% of breast
cancer dignoses, while at the same time breast cancer survival rates were
increasing in the US? (No surprise Stronach went to the US, now is it?)
So Castonguay didn't say Canadian health was a failure?

Would you care to address any of these facts, big mouth?

Will there be anything else, or would you care to slink away while
retaining a modicum of dignity?
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Tom McDonald
2011-01-27 03:52:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong.
What's the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Well, if you post something that is true...
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatment amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast
cancer were treated improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
So Stronach didn't go to the US to treat her breast cancer?
So Canada Health didn't acknowledge fucking up at least 30% of breast
cancer dignoses, while at the same time breast cancer survival rates were
increasing in the US? (No surprise Stronach went to the US, now is it?)
So Castonguay didn't say Canadian health was a failure?
Would you care to address any of these facts, big mouth?
You first, chickenshit.
Post by Gray Ghost
Will there be anything else, or would you care to slink away while
retaining a modicum of dignity?
--
Tom
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 04:08:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2- cd454540c467
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong.
What's the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Well, if you post something that is true...
Post by Tom McDonald
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatment amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast
cancer were treated improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
So Stronach didn't go to the US to treat her breast cancer?
So Canada Health didn't acknowledge fucking up at least 30% of breast
cancer dignoses, while at the same time breast cancer survival rates were
increasing in the US? (No surprise Stronach went to the US, now is it?)
So Castonguay didn't say Canadian health was a failure?
Would you care to address any of these facts, big mouth?
You first, chickenshit.
Um, I made assertions with sufficient detail to Google them.

I'll assume your refusal to answer is a surrender and an acknowledgement
that Canadian Health is a failure.

Please note that I did not post a long, rambling, vituperative filled rant
but posted essentially 3 bullet points. All of which are facts that can be
verified with a small amount of research/
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Will there be anything else, or would you care to slink away while
retaining a modicum of dignity?
I guess running away with no dignity was the third choice.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Tom McDonald
2011-01-27 18:43:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2- cd454540c467
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong.
What's the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Well, if you post something that is true...
Post by Tom McDonald
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatment amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast
cancer were treated improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
So Stronach didn't go to the US to treat her breast cancer?
So Canada Health didn't acknowledge fucking up at least 30% of breast
cancer dignoses, while at the same time breast cancer survival rates
were
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
increasing in the US? (No surprise Stronach went to the US, now is it?)
So Castonguay didn't say Canadian health was a failure?
Would you care to address any of these facts, big mouth?
You first, chickenshit.
Um, I made assertions with sufficient detail to Google them.
I'll assume your refusal to answer is a surrender and an acknowledgement
that Canadian Health is a failure.
Please note that I did not post a long, rambling, vituperative filled rant
but posted essentially 3 bullet points. All of which are facts that can be
verified with a small amount of research/
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Will there be anything else, or would you care to slink away while
retaining a modicum of dignity?
I guess running away with no dignity was the third choice.
Well, or I could have gone to bed, as I don't live on Usenet.

Here's what Andre wrote, and from which you have run away, snipping without
noting the snip:

--------------------------------
U.S. health care lies about Canada
Posted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/05/12/health-care-lies-about-canda.aspx#ixzz1CBklGo9z

Another American blowhard

Just who is this jerk, Rick Scott of propaganda-mongering
Conservatives for Patients’ Rights? He and his group are
fabricating negatives about Canada’s health care system
and I resent this. I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years. I can vouch that the system is more
than adequate and is not run by civil servants but by doctors
who are able to treat everyone, rich or poor.

Mr. Scott, and other conservatives (code for rich) are against
universal health care without any justification whatsoever.
Their criticisms are in accurate and should not be broadcast.

Where are the ethics in network broadcasting? I saw one of
Scott’s ads on CNN recently and wondered why the same
curation of content was not imposed on CNN advertising
messages as is upheld editorially. If CNN is unwilling to vet
content, then where is the FCC?

The real story

Here are the facts as to why Canada’s medical system, far
from perfect, is dramatically better than America’s:

1. It is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire
population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.
2. Canada’s health care system which fully looks after 32
million people costs roughly what the private-sector health
insurance companies make in profits in the United States
looking after less than half the population for excessive
premiums.
3. Canada’s health care system is cheaper still if the
litigation costs of fighting over medical bills is eliminated as
it is when the government is the sole-insurer. Estimates are
that court costs and judgments add another 2 to 3% of GDP
to the total medical tab.
4. Canada’s health care system enhances economic
productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still
change employers and be employable because they are not
rejected by employers with health benefits due to pre-conditions.
5. Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than
in the U.S.
6. Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart
disease, are better than in the United States.
7. Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
8. No emergency is neglected in Canada.
9. Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to
blue-ribbon U.S. health care but that’s no comparing apples
with apples. More appropriately, the overall population’s care
should be compared and there are tens of millions of
Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.
10. No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills
whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due
to unpaid, high medical bills.
11. Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and
to seek multiple opinions.
12. Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than
American counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at
least a year in order to qualify to practice in Canada.
13. Drugs made and invented in the United States are
cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal
health care means volume discounts and savings passed
along to society. Americans are overpaying.
14. Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt
system where the highest risk people – veterans, the indigent
and elderly – are insured by governments but the “gravy” or
young, healthy people are handed over to private insurance
companies.

Is Canada’s system perfect? No and nobody said it was.

Networks should stop allowing propagandists to tell lies
and any arguments about other countries’ practices should
be ignored as totally irrelevant.

The United States is a rich and talented nation and it’s very
upsetting to me, as an American, that it does not have the
world’s best medical care for its citizens instead of one of
the worst.

Americans deserve better.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
-That which is asserted against the evidence can be dismissed
without further evidence.-

Andre
---------------------------

I expect you to ignore this. Again. As you are merely a right-wing
ditto-head, not an actual rational thinker.

Care to prove me wrong?

Oh, and why do Canadians overwhelmingly tell pollsters that they wouldn't
change their system for ours?
--
Tom
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 21:44:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2- cd454540c467
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong.
What's the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Well, if you post something that is true...
Post by Tom McDonald
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce
the phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatment amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast
cancer were treated improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
So Stronach didn't go to the US to treat her breast cancer?
So Canada Health didn't acknowledge fucking up at least 30% of breast
cancer dignoses, while at the same time breast cancer survival rates
were
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
increasing in the US? (No surprise Stronach went to the US, now is
it?) So Castonguay didn't say Canadian health was a failure?
Would you care to address any of these facts, big mouth?
You first, chickenshit.
Um, I made assertions with sufficient detail to Google them.
I'll assume your refusal to answer is a surrender and an
acknowledgement that Canadian Health is a failure.
Please note that I did not post a long, rambling, vituperative filled
rant but posted essentially 3 bullet points. All of which are facts
that can be verified with a small amount of research/
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Will there be anything else, or would you care to slink away while
retaining a modicum of dignity?
I guess running away with no dignity was the third choice.
Well, or I could have gone to bed, as I don't live on Usenet.
Here's what Andre wrote, and from which you have run away, snipping
--------------------------------
U.S. health care lies about Canada
Posted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/05/12/healt
h-care-lies-about-canda.aspx#ixzz1CBklGo9z
Another American blowhard
Just who is this jerk, Rick Scott of propaganda-mongering
Conservatives for Patients’ Rights? He and his group are
fabricating negatives about Canada’s health care system
and I resent this. I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years. I can vouch that the system is more
than adequate and is not run by civil servants but by doctors
who are able to treat everyone, rich or poor.
Mr. Scott, and other conservatives (code for rich) are against
universal health care without any justification whatsoever.
Their criticisms are in accurate and should not be broadcast.
Where are the ethics in network broadcasting? I saw one of
Scott’s ads on CNN recently and wondered why the same
curation of content was not imposed on CNN advertising
messages as is upheld editorially. If CNN is unwilling to vet
content, then where is the FCC?
The real story
Here are the facts as to why Canada’s medical system, far
1. It is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire
population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.
2. Canada’s health care system which fully looks after 32
million people costs roughly what the private-sector health
insurance companies make in profits in the United States
looking after less than half the population for excessive
premiums.
3. Canada’s health care system is cheaper still if the
litigation costs of fighting over medical bills is eliminated as
it is when the government is the sole-insurer. Estimates are
that court costs and judgments add another 2 to 3% of GDP
to the total medical tab.
4. Canada’s health care system enhances economic
productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still
change employers and be employable because they are not
rejected by employers with health benefits due to pre-conditions.
5. Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than
in the U.S.
6. Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart
disease, are better than in the United States.
7. Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
8. No emergency is neglected in Canada.
9. Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to
blue-ribbon U.S. health care but that’s no comparing apples
with apples. More appropriately, the overall population’s care
should be compared and there are tens of millions of
Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.
10. No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills
whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due
to unpaid, high medical bills.
11. Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and
to seek multiple opinions.
12. Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than
American counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at
least a year in order to qualify to practice in Canada.
13. Drugs made and invented in the United States are
cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal
health care means volume discounts and savings passed
along to society. Americans are overpaying.
14. Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt
system where the highest risk people – veterans, the indigent
and elderly – are insured by governments but the “gravy” or
young, healthy people are handed over to private insurance
companies.
Is Canada’s system perfect? No and nobody said it was.
Networks should stop allowing propagandists to tell lies
and any arguments about other countries’ practices should
be ignored as totally irrelevant.
The United States is a rich and talented nation and it’s very
upsetting to me, as an American, that it does not have the
world’s best medical care for its citizens instead of one of
the worst.
Americans deserve better.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
-That which is asserted against the evidence can be dismissed
without further evidence.-
Andre
---------------------------
I expect you to ignore this. Again. As you are merely a right-wing
ditto-head, not an actual rational thinker.
Care to prove me wrong?
Not until you address my 3 points.
Post by Tom McDonald
Oh, and why do Canadians overwhelmingly tell pollsters that they
wouldn't change their system for ours?
Ignorance?

Hey the Germans thought the Nazis were pretty hip. Did that make them
right?
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Tom McDonald
2011-01-27 23:56:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2- cd454540c467
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong.
What's the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Well, if you post something that is true...
Post by Tom McDonald
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce
the phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatment amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast
cancer were treated improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
So Stronach didn't go to the US to treat her breast cancer?
So Canada Health didn't acknowledge fucking up at least 30% of breast
cancer dignoses, while at the same time breast cancer survival rates
were
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
increasing in the US? (No surprise Stronach went to the US, now is
it?) So Castonguay didn't say Canadian health was a failure?
Would you care to address any of these facts, big mouth?
You first, chickenshit.
Um, I made assertions with sufficient detail to Google them.
I'll assume your refusal to answer is a surrender and an
acknowledgement that Canadian Health is a failure.
Please note that I did not post a long, rambling, vituperative filled
rant but posted essentially 3 bullet points. All of which are facts
that can be verified with a small amount of research/
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Will there be anything else, or would you care to slink away while
retaining a modicum of dignity?
I guess running away with no dignity was the third choice.
Well, or I could have gone to bed, as I don't live on Usenet.
Here's what Andre wrote, and from which you have run away, snipping
--------------------------------
U.S. health care lies about Canada
Posted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/05/12/healt
h-care-lies-about-canda.aspx#ixzz1CBklGo9z
Another American blowhard
Just who is this jerk, Rick Scott of propaganda-mongering
Conservatives for Patients’ Rights? He and his group are
fabricating negatives about Canada’s health care system
and I resent this. I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years. I can vouch that the system is more
than adequate and is not run by civil servants but by doctors
who are able to treat everyone, rich or poor.
Mr. Scott, and other conservatives (code for rich) are against
universal health care without any justification whatsoever.
Their criticisms are in accurate and should not be broadcast.
Where are the ethics in network broadcasting? I saw one of
Scott’s ads on CNN recently and wondered why the same
curation of content was not imposed on CNN advertising
messages as is upheld editorially. If CNN is unwilling to vet
content, then where is the FCC?
The real story
Here are the facts as to why Canada’s medical system, far
1. It is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire
population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.
2. Canada’s health care system which fully looks after 32
million people costs roughly what the private-sector health
insurance companies make in profits in the United States
looking after less than half the population for excessive
premiums.
3. Canada’s health care system is cheaper still if the
litigation costs of fighting over medical bills is eliminated as
it is when the government is the sole-insurer. Estimates are
that court costs and judgments add another 2 to 3% of GDP
to the total medical tab.
4. Canada’s health care system enhances economic
productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still
change employers and be employable because they are not
rejected by employers with health benefits due to pre-conditions.
5. Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than
in the U.S.
6. Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart
disease, are better than in the United States.
7. Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
8. No emergency is neglected in Canada.
9. Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to
blue-ribbon U.S. health care but that’s no comparing apples
with apples. More appropriately, the overall population’s care
should be compared and there are tens of millions of
Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.
10. No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills
whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due
to unpaid, high medical bills.
11. Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and
to seek multiple opinions.
12. Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than
American counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at
least a year in order to qualify to practice in Canada.
13. Drugs made and invented in the United States are
cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal
health care means volume discounts and savings passed
along to society. Americans are overpaying.
14. Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt
system where the highest risk people – veterans, the indigent
and elderly – are insured by governments but the “gravy” or
young, healthy people are handed over to private insurance
companies.
Is Canada’s system perfect? No and nobody said it was.
Networks should stop allowing propagandists to tell lies
and any arguments about other countries’ practices should
be ignored as totally irrelevant.
The United States is a rich and talented nation and it’s very
upsetting to me, as an American, that it does not have the
world’s best medical care for its citizens instead of one of
the worst.
Americans deserve better.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
-That which is asserted against the evidence can be dismissed
without further evidence.-
Andre
---------------------------
I expect you to ignore this. Again. As you are merely a right-wing
ditto-head, not an actual rational thinker.
Care to prove me wrong?
Not until you address my 3 points.
Andre addressed your three points. Will you ever address his?

I'm thinking 'No'.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Oh, and why do Canadians overwhelmingly tell pollsters that they
wouldn't change their system for ours?
Ignorance?
They get lots of American news. As Andre points out, most Canadians live
within a two-hour drive of the States. Yet they don't come down here for
treatment except in a few cases. And Americans do go to Canada, according to
someone on this thread at the rate of about half a million per year, for
health care. Even Palin did so.
Post by Gray Ghost
Hey the Germans thought the Nazis were pretty hip. Did that make them
right?
Palin's a Nazi sympathizer? Well, you learn something new every day.

Well, we won't learn the answers to Andre's points from you. I may have been
overestimating your capacity to do so when I called you a chickenshit. You
may just be totally unable to provide a reasoned argument against someone
who knows more than you. (A very large set, I trou.)
--
Tom
Andre Lieven
2011-01-28 01:02:00 UTC
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Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2- cd454540c467
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong.
What's the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Well, if you post something that is true...
Post by Tom McDonald
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce
the phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatment amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast
cancer were treated improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
So Stronach didn't go to the US to treat her breast cancer?
So Canada Health didn't acknowledge fucking up at least 30% of breast
cancer dignoses, while at the same time breast cancer survival rates
were
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
increasing in the US? (No surprise Stronach went to the US, now is
it?) So Castonguay didn't say Canadian health was a failure?
Would you care to address any of these facts, big mouth?
You first, chickenshit.
Um, I made assertions with sufficient detail to Google them.
I'll assume your refusal to answer is a surrender and an
acknowledgement that Canadian Health is a failure.
Please note that I did not post a long, rambling, vituperative filled
rant but posted essentially 3 bullet points. All of which are facts
that can be verified with a small amount of research/
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Will there be anything else, or would you care to slink away while
retaining a modicum of dignity?
I guess running away with no dignity was the third choice.
Well, or I could have gone to bed, as I don't live on Usenet.
Here's what Andre wrote, and from which you have run away, snipping
--------------------------------
U.S. health care lies about Canada
Posted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/05/12/h...
h-care-lies-about-canda.aspx#ixzz1CBklGo9z
Another American blowhard
Just who is this jerk, Rick Scott of propaganda-mongering
Conservatives for Patients� Rights? He and his group are
fabricating negatives about Canada�s health care system
and I resent this. I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years. I can vouch that the system is more
than adequate and is not run by civil servants but by doctors
who are able to treat everyone, rich or poor.
Mr. Scott, and other conservatives (code for rich) are against
universal health care without any justification whatsoever.
Their criticisms are in accurate and should not be broadcast.
Where are the ethics in network broadcasting? I saw one of
Scott�s ads on CNN recently and wondered why the same
curation of content was not imposed on CNN advertising
messages as is upheld editorially. If CNN is unwilling to vet
content, then where is the FCC?
The real story
Here are the facts as to why Canada�s medical system, far
1.    It is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire
population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.
2.    Canada's health care system which fully looks after 32
million people costs roughly what the private-sector health
insurance companies make in profits in the United States
looking after less than half the population for excessive
premiums.
3.    Canada's health care system is cheaper still if the
litigation costs of fighting over medical bills is eliminated as
it is when the government is the sole-insurer. Estimates are
that court costs and judgments add another 2 to 3% of GDP
to the total medical tab.
4.    Canada's health care system enhances economic
productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still
change employers and be employable because they are not
rejected by employers with health benefits due to pre-conditions.
5.    Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than
in the U.S.
6.    Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart
disease, are better than in the United States.
7.    Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
8.    No emergency is neglected in Canada.
9.    Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to
blue-ribbon U.S. health care but that�s no comparing apples
with apples. More appropriately, the overall population�s care
should be compared and there are tens of millions of
Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.
10.    No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills
whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due
to unpaid, high medical bills.
11.    Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and
to seek multiple opinions.
12.    Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than
American counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at
least a year in order to qualify to practice in Canada.
13.    Drugs made and invented in the United States are
cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal
health care means volume discounts and savings passed
along to society. Americans are overpaying.
14.    Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt
system where the highest risk people � veterans, the indigent
and elderly � are insured by governments but the �gravy� or
young, healthy people are handed over to private insurance
companies.
Is Canada's system perfect? No and nobody said it was.
Networks should stop allowing propagandists to tell lies
and any arguments about other countries' practices should
be ignored as totally irrelevant.
The United States is a rich and talented nation and it's very
upsetting to me, as an American, that it does not have the
world's best medical care for its citizens instead of one of
the worst.
Americans deserve better.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
-That which is asserted against the evidence can be dismissed
without further evidence.-
Andre
---------------------------
I expect you to ignore this. Again. As you are merely a right-wing
ditto-head, not an actual rational thinker.
Care to prove me wrong?
Not until you address my 3 points.
Andre addressed your three points. Will you ever address his?
I'm thinking 'No'.
You are correct. All Gray Ghastly has is empty invective, because
it is aware that it CANNOT provide ANY evidence in support of it's
willfully ignorant bluster.

Thus, GG will be UNable to debate/refute any of Ms. Francis'
points.
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
Oh, and why do Canadians overwhelmingly tell pollsters that they
wouldn't change their system for ours?
Ignorance?
They get lots of American news. As Andre points out, most Canadians live
within a two-hour drive of the States. Yet they don't come down here for
treatment except in a few cases. And Americans do go to Canada, according
to someone on this thread at the rate of about half a million per year, for
health care. Even Palin did so.
Which showed further that Caribou Barbie is a big hypocrite.

There's also the issue that Ontario moved to photo ID Health Cards,
in no small part to the misuse by foreigners using the older, non
photo cards.

-Once a benign cash cow for American hospitals and freewheeling
travellers, the Ontario Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) is
now using the Criminal Code to curb the fraud and abuse that has
been draining millions of health care dollars from the province.
The threat of criminal sanctions whether against foreigners flying
in to use friends' or relatives' OHIP cards, strangers who use
misplaced,
stolen or counterfeit cards, or snowbirds who bend residency
requirements
to hold on to medicare benefits is likely to change OHIP's
image as Mr. Nice Guy.-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1487640/pdf/cmaj00088-0128.pdf
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Hey the Germans thought the Nazis were pretty hip. Did that make them
right?
Palin's a Nazi sympathizer? Well, you learn something new every day.
<snicker>
Post by Tom McDonald
Well, we won't learn the answers to Andre's points from you. I may have been
overestimating your capacity to do so when I called you a chickenshit. You
may just be totally unable to provide a reasoned argument against someone
who knows more than you. (A very large set, I trou.)
I'd bet on that being the truth, as well.

Note that my points were well supported by citations that *I*
provided.
It's a sign of failure when a claimant demands that OTHERS provide
the evidence for their claims, yet who refuses to provide any for his
own.

Andre
Loirbaj
2011-01-28 01:39:45 UTC
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Charles Darwin actually taught Evolution by means of a Sky Fairy,

Natural selection is daily and hourly scrutinising, throughout the
world, every variation, even the slightest; rejecting that which is
bad, preserving and adding up all that is good; silently and
insensibly working...at the improvement of each organic being
Origin of Species, Ch 4, Natural Selection. Darwin
Scout
2011-01-27 13:04:55 UTC
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Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2-
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong.
What's the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Well, if you post something that is true...
Post by Tom McDonald
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce
the phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatment amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast
cancer were treated improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
So Stronach didn't go to the US to treat her breast cancer?
So Canada Health didn't acknowledge fucking up at least 30% of breast
cancer dignoses, while at the same time breast cancer survival rates
were increasing in the US? (No surprise Stronach went to the US, now
is it?) So Castonguay didn't say Canadian health was a failure?
Would you care to address any of these facts, big mouth?
You first, chickenshit.
No, sir, you first. You were the one that called him a coward and a liar
which means you are suppose to have facts to show your claims are true.

So let's see them.
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 14:40:17 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Tom McDonald
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2-
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong.
What's the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Well, if you post something that is true...
Post by Tom McDonald
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce
the phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatment amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast
cancer were treated improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
So Stronach didn't go to the US to treat her breast cancer?
So Canada Health didn't acknowledge fucking up at least 30% of breast
cancer dignoses, while at the same time breast cancer survival rates
were increasing in the US? (No surprise Stronach went to the US, now
is it?) So Castonguay didn't say Canadian health was a failure?
Would you care to address any of these facts, big mouth?
You first, chickenshit.
No, sir, you first. You were the one that called him a coward and a liar
which means you are suppose to have facts to show your claims are true.
So let's see them.
He's had enough time to respond. Ckearly he's not going to.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Loirbaj
2011-01-27 03:48:19 UTC
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rsoted
Andre Lieven
2011-01-27 05:59:38 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Anyone with a working brain. I do understand that leaves out 99% of
all
Republicans... The writer has experience with both systems.
Post by Gray Ghost
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.
Your meds have failed.
Post by Gray Ghost
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Lie. Tommy Douglas died in 1986. Kinda hard for him to diss
public health care in Canada in the last, oh, 25 years...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas
Post by Gray Ghost
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer treatment
amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast cancer were treated
improperly.
Cite ? Uh huh.

In any case, Belinda Stronach left politics in 2008, and ceased to
be a government MP after the 2006 election. Her cabinet post,
Human Resources, was not connected with health care. That
falls under the perview of the MInister of Health. Duh.

And, her first cancer surgery was done in Toronto:

-On June 23, 2007, the Toronto Star reported that Stronach had been
diagnosed
with ductal carcinoma in situ, a form of breast cancer, in April 2007,
and had
undergone a mastectomy on June 19 in an undisclosed Toronto hospital.
[4]-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinda_Stronach
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, it's a fine system.
CIHI report
Canadians happy with primary health care, study says
Marina Jiménez
Published Thursday, Jul. 23, 2009 6:47PM EDT

The largest survey on primary health care ever conducted in Canada
found
that most people have high praise for their family doctor, and a
staggering
92 per cent would recommend their physician to a relative or friend.

Canadians – except those living in Nunavut – have excellent access to
primary health care: 85 per cent of people aged 12 and older have a
regular
doctor, and two thirds have been seeing the same doctor for five years
or
more, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information
(CIHI)
study, released yesterday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/canadians-happy-with-primary-health-care-study-says/article1229169/

Once again, it is clear that facts are total strangers to right
wingers.

Andre
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 07:41:49 UTC
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Post by Andre Lieven
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2
-
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Anyone with a working brain. I do understand that leaves out 99% of
all
Republicans... The writer has experience with both systems.
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.
Your meds have failed.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Lie. Tommy Douglas died in 1986. Kinda hard for him to diss
public health care in Canada in the last, oh, 25 years...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatmen
t
amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast cancer were
treat
ed
improperly.
Cite ? Uh huh.
In any case, Belinda Stronach left politics in 2008, and ceased to
be a government MP after the 2006 election. Her cabinet post,
Human Resources, was not connected with health care. That
falls under the perview of the MInister of Health. Duh.
-On June 23, 2007, the Toronto Star reported that Stronach had been
diagnosed
with ductal carcinoma in situ, a form of breast cancer, in April 2007,
and had
undergone a mastectomy on June 19 in an undisclosed Toronto hospital.
[4]-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinda_Stronach
Yeah, it's a fine system.
CIHI report
Canadians happy with primary health care, study says
Marina Jiménez
Published Thursday, Jul. 23, 2009 6:47PM EDT
The largest survey on primary health care ever conducted in Canada
found
that most people have high praise for their family doctor, and a
staggering
92 per cent would recommend their physician to a relative or friend.
Canadians – except those living in Nunavut – have excellent access to
primary health care: 85 per cent of people aged 12 and older have a
regular
doctor, and two thirds have been seeing the same doctor for five years
or
more, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information
(CIHI)
study, released yesterday.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/canadians-happy-with-primary-h
ealth-care-study-says/article1229169/
Once again, it is clear that facts are total strangers to right
wingers.
Andre
Douchbag.

If yopu don't know about the failures of the Canadian system regarding
breast cancer you simply don't want to know.

Stronach was a Canadian minister. Period. What did she know that sent her
to the US? I've heard your excuses before and it's always the same. you
want to qualify Stronach. But Stronach had money and poltical postion, she
could hav gotting the best she could from CH, yet she choose otherwise.

And Claude Castonguay hasn't denounced it? Really? And he wouldn't know,
would he?

Yeah I'm sure Canadians are happy with it, they don't know any better.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Andre Lieven
2011-01-27 08:12:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2
-
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Anyone with a working brain. I do understand that leaves out 99% of
all
Republicans... The writer has experience with both systems.
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.
Your meds have failed.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Lie. Tommy Douglas died in 1986. Kinda hard for him to diss
public health care in Canada in the last, oh, 25 years...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatmen
t
amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast cancer were
treat
ed
improperly.
Cite ? Uh huh.
In any case, Belinda Stronach left politics in 2008, and ceased to
be a government MP after the 2006 election. Her cabinet post,
Human Resources, was not connected with health care. That
falls under the perview of the MInister of Health. Duh.
-On June 23, 2007, the Toronto Star reported that Stronach had been
diagnosed
with ductal carcinoma in situ, a form of breast cancer, in April 2007,
and had
undergone a mastectomy on June 19 in an undisclosed Toronto hospital.
[4]-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinda_Stronach
Yeah, it's a fine system.
CIHI report
Canadians happy with primary health care, study says
Marina Jim nez
Published Thursday, Jul. 23, 2009 6:47PM EDT
The largest survey on primary health care ever conducted in Canada
found
that most people have high praise for their family doctor, and a
staggering
92 per cent would recommend their physician to a relative or friend.
Canadians except those living in Nunavut have excellent access to
primary health care: 85 per cent of people aged 12 and older have a
regular
doctor, and two thirds have been seeing the same doctor for five years
or
more, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information
(CIHI)
study, released yesterday.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/canadians-happy-with-prima...
ealth-care-study-says/article1229169/
Once again, it is clear that facts are total strangers to right
wingers.
Andre
Douchbag.
<Projection>
Post by Gray Ghost
If yopu don't know about the failures of the Canadian system regarding
breast cancer you simply don't want to know.
IOW, you have NO evidence in support of your failed claim to offer.

I accept your concession.
Post by Gray Ghost
Stronach was a Canadian minister. Period.
So ? Her department had NOTHING to do with the delivery of
health care or any health care policy.
Post by Gray Ghost
What did she know that sent her to the US?
That, in the US, those with MONEY go to the front of the line.

She had MONEY. QED.
Post by Gray Ghost
I've heard your excuses before and it's always the same. you want
to qualify Stronach. But Stronach had money and poltical postion, she
could hav gotting the best she could from CH, yet she choose otherwise.
So ?
Post by Gray Ghost
And Claude Castonguay hasn't denounced it? Really? And he wouldn't know,
would he?
So ? He's one guy. He was right in the 60s, when he wasn't older
than dirt...
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah I'm sure Canadians are happy with it, they don't know any better.
As my cite showed, this is a bald faced lie.

The conclusion about your claims is obvious.

Andre
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 14:38:21 UTC
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8b9c-
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2
-
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Anyone with a working brain. I do understand that leaves out 99% of
all
Republicans... The writer has experience with both systems.
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.
Your meds have failed.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Lie. Tommy Douglas died in 1986. Kinda hard for him to diss
public health care in Canada in the last, oh, 25 years...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatmen
t
amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast cancer were
treat
ed
improperly.
Cite ? Uh huh.
In any case, Belinda Stronach left politics in 2008, and ceased to
be a government MP after the 2006 election. Her cabinet post,
Human Resources, was not connected with health care. That
falls under the perview of the MInister of Health. Duh.
-On June 23, 2007, the Toronto Star reported that Stronach had been
diagnosed
with ductal carcinoma in situ, a form of breast cancer, in April 2007,
and had
undergone a mastectomy on June 19 in an undisclosed Toronto hospital.
[4]-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinda_Stronach
Yeah, it's a fine system.
CIHI report
Canadians happy with primary health care, study says
Marina Jim nez
Published Thursday, Jul. 23, 2009 6:47PM EDT
The largest survey on primary health care ever conducted in Canada
found
that most people have high praise for their family doctor, and a
staggering
92 per cent would recommend their physician to a relative or friend.
Canadians except those living in Nunavut have excellent access to
primary health care: 85 per cent of people aged 12 and older have a
regular
doctor, and two thirds have been seeing the same doctor for five years
or
more, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information
(CIHI)
study, released yesterday.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/canadians-happy-with-
prima...
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
ealth-care-study-says/article1229169/
Once again, it is clear that facts are total strangers to right
wingers.
Andre
Douchbag.
<Projection>
Post by Gray Ghost
If yopu don't know about the failures of the Canadian system regarding
breast cancer you simply don't want to know.
IOW, you have NO evidence in support of your failed claim to offer.
I have plenty of evidence. That you won't acknowledge that tere are
probklens undermines your credibility.
Post by Andre Lieven
I accept your concession.
Post by Gray Ghost
Stronach was a Canadian minister. Period.
So ? Her department had NOTHING to do with the delivery of
health care or any health care policy.
WGAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IT? What possible point are you
trying to make?
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
What did she know that sent her to the US?
That, in the US, those with MONEY go to the front of the line.
She had MONEY. QED.
So... Her life was in danger and she wouldn't wait. Hmmm.
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
I've heard your excuses before and it's always the same. you want
to qualify Stronach. But Stronach had money and poltical postion, she
could hav gotting the best she could from CH, yet she choose otherwise.
So ?
The fact that you don't get it tells me you are in denial or a complete
fool.
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
And Claude Castonguay hasn't denounced it? Really? And he wouldn't know,
would he?
So ? He's one guy. He was right in the 60s, when he wasn't older
than dirt...
So he was brilliant when he came up with it, but now he's just an old feeb?
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah I'm sure Canadians are happy with it, they don't know any better.
As my cite showed, this is a bald faced lie.
The conclusion about your claims is obvious.
Andre
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Andre Lieven
2011-01-27 20:07:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
news:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2
-
Post by Andre Lieven
I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Anyone with a working brain. I do understand that leaves out 99% of
all Republicans... The writer has experience with both systems.
The problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce
the phoniness of those who want this.
Your meds have failed.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Lie. Tommy Douglas died in 1986. Kinda hard for him to diss
public health care in Canada in the last, oh, 25 years...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer treatment
amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast cancer were
treated improperly.
Cite ? Uh huh.
In any case, Belinda Stronach left politics in 2008, and ceased to
be a government MP after the 2006 election. Her cabinet post,
Human Resources, was not connected with health care. That
falls under the perview of the MInister of Health. Duh.
-On June 23, 2007, the Toronto Star reported that Stronach had been
diagnosed
with ductal carcinoma in situ, a form of breast cancer, in April 2007,
and had
undergone a mastectomy on June 19 in an undisclosed Toronto hospital.
[4]-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinda_Stronach
Yeah, it's a fine system.
CIHI report
Canadians happy with primary health care, study says
Marina Jim nez
Published Thursday, Jul. 23, 2009 6:47PM EDT
The largest survey on primary health care ever conducted in Canada
found
that most people have high praise for their family doctor, and a
staggering
92 per cent would recommend their physician to a relative or friend.
Canadians except those living in Nunavut have excellent access to
primary health care: 85 per cent of people aged 12 and older have a
regular
doctor, and two thirds have been seeing the same doctor for five years
or
more, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information
(CIHI) study, released yesterday.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/canadians-happy-with-
prima...ealth-care-study-says/article1229169/
Once again, it is clear that facts are total strangers to right
wingers.
Andre
Douchbag.
<Projection>
Post by Gray Ghost
If yopu don't know about the failures of the Canadian system regarding
breast cancer you simply don't want to know.
IOW, you have NO evidence in support of your failed claim to offer.
I have plenty of evidence.
You have posted NONE.
Post by Gray Ghost
That you won't acknowledge that tere are probklens undermines your
credibility.
<Projection>
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
I accept your concession.
Post by Gray Ghost
Stronach was a Canadian minister. Period.
So ? Her department had NOTHING to do with the delivery of
health care or any health care policy.
WGAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IT?
<Projection>
Post by Gray Ghost
What possible point are you trying to make?
What's yours ?
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
What did she know that sent her to the US?
That, in the US, those with MONEY go to the front of the line.
She had MONEY. QED.
So... Her life was in danger and she wouldn't wait. Hmmm.
ASSumes facts not in evidence. Is it your insane suggestion that
the rich ONLY spend their money on matters of life and death ?

If so, provide some supporting evidence for your claims here:

None provided ? Claims thus fail.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
I've heard your excuses before and it's always the same. you want
to qualify Stronach. But Stronach had money and poltical postion, she
could hav gotting the best she could from CH, yet she choose otherwise.
So ?
The fact that you don't get it tells me you are in denial or a complete
fool.
-Ad Hominem Alone, the last refuge of the *whipped* scoundrel.-
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
And Claude Castonguay hasn't denounced it? Really? And he wouldn't know,
would he?
So ? He's one guy. He was right in the 60s, when he wasn't older
than dirt...
So he was brilliant when he came up with it, but now he's just an old feeb?
<shrug> It happens. Plus, these days, he's in the private sector,
so it stands to good reason that his interests these days ARE
from there: $$$.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah I'm sure Canadians are happy with it, they don't know any better.
As my cite showed, this is a bald faced lie.
The conclusion about your claims is obvious.
And now, it is a proven fact.

Andre
Scout
2011-01-27 12:51:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
Yea, and have worse health care generally.
Just look at the wait times in Canada.
"Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and
treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces
surveyed, fell from 17.9 weeks in 2004 back to the 17.7 weeks last
seen in 2003." 2005 Fraser Institure.
Who wants to wait 17 weeks for treatment?
I just saw my doc yesterday, and my appointment was only made
three weeks ago. It wasn't urgent, just due for a physical.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care
and curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent
of provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last
year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the US
for treatment.
U.S. health care lies about Canada
Posted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/05/12/health-care-lies-about-canda.aspx#ixzz1CBklGo9z
Another American blowhard
I will simply note that none of the examples given refer to the issues
refered to above. Wait times do exist as per the reference cited, and Canada
does spend Billions for it's health care. Sure, there are claims it's
cheaper, but then again the service is worse. I mean I sure wouldn't want to
wait an average of 4.8 weeks for a simple CT scan or 10 weeks for an MRI.

So yes, Canadian medical care is cheaper to provide......it's always cheaper
to provide poorer service.
Loirbaj
2011-01-27 13:05:08 UTC
Permalink
Bob Puharic said
nope. what they found was that the body of jesus was discovered in
skeletal form. they found his tomb and his rotted body
what we DO have are the records of the roman soliders who saw christ
buried and kept watch over the body until it rotted
There you have it. The "best proof of the atheists" from Bob. The
Roman soldiers stood there and watched till his body rotted away. I
had hoped this was "lost to history and science", but the atheists
have retrieved this information.
bpuharic
2011-01-28 02:53:19 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:05:08 -0800 (PST), Loirbaj
Post by Loirbaj
Bob Puharic said
nope. what they found was that the body of jesus was discovered in
skeletal form. they found his tomb and his rotted body
what we DO have are the records of the roman soliders who saw christ
buried and kept watch over the body until it rotted
There you have it. The "best proof of the atheists" from Bob. The
Roman soldiers stood there and watched till his body rotted away. I
had hoped this was "lost to history and science", but the atheists
have retrieved this information.
just like the xtians recorded the actual words of christ

you lie. i lie
Andre Lieven
2011-01-27 20:00:49 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 27, 7:51 am, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
Yea, and have worse health care generally.
Just look at the wait times in Canada.
"Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and
treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces
surveyed, fell from 17.9 weeks in 2004 back to the 17.7 weeks last
seen in 2003." 2005 Fraser Institure.
Who wants to wait 17 weeks for treatment?
I just saw my doc yesterday, and my appointment was only made
three weeks ago. It wasn't urgent, just due for a physical.
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care
and curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent
of provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last
year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to
the US for treatment.
U.S. health care lies about Canada
Posted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/05/12/h...
Another American blowhard
I will simply note that none of the examples given refer to the issues
refered to above. Wait times do exist as per the reference cited, and Canada
does spend Billions for it's health care. Sure, there are claims it's
cheaper, but then again the service is worse. I mean I sure wouldn't want to
wait an average of 4.8 weeks for a simple CT scan or 10 weeks for an MRI.
So yes, Canadian medical care is cheaper to provide......it's always cheaper
to provide poorer service.
What are the wait times for the 60 million Yanks who have NO health
insurance ?

Dumbass rightard.

Andre
bpuharic
2011-01-27 04:04:35 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:23:20 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care and
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the US
for treatment.
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
actually, no. almost no canadians come here for health care

and last year

500,000 americans went abroad for heatlhcare
Andre Lieven
2011-01-27 06:09:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:23:20 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care and
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the US
for treatment.
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
actually, no. almost no canadians come here for health care
And, one aspect of this that needs to be remembered is that, while
most Canadians live within a two hour drive of the US (Ottawa 1 hour,
Montreal, 35 minutes, Toronto, an hour and a half, Vancouver 50
minutes, etc.), most USians live more than, say, six plus hours
from Canada. The only major cities in the US that are close to
Canada are Detroit, 5 minutes, and Seattle, about an hour.

NYC is seven hours from the Cdn border, Boston about 5,
Chicago also about 5, and so on. LA and Houston are days away.

So, when a Yank comes to get health care in Canada, they have
more time and distance invested than when a Canadian comes
south.

In fact, the most common reason for a Canadian to cross the
border for health care is because that is the nearest alternative.
Nearby cities make local deals to help each other, even when
that involves crossing the US-Cdn border.

-Canadians visiting the US to receive health care-

In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276
Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical
care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter
had
traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[71]

A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of
Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to
the
use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not
support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek
care extensively in the United States."[72]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

A good article that busts many of the US MYTHS about Canadian
health care can be found at:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19299.htm
Post by bpuharic
and last year
500,000 americans went abroad for heatlhcare.
Andre
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 07:42:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:23:20 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care and
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the US
for treatment.
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
actually, no. almost no canadians come here for health care
And, one aspect of this that needs to be remembered is that, while
most Canadians live within a two hour drive of the US (Ottawa 1 hour,
Montreal, 35 minutes, Toronto, an hour and a half, Vancouver 50
minutes, etc.), most USians live more than, say, six plus hours
from Canada. The only major cities in the US that are close to
Canada are Detroit, 5 minutes, and Seattle, about an hour.
NYC is seven hours from the Cdn border, Boston about 5,
Chicago also about 5, and so on. LA and Houston are days away.
So, when a Yank comes to get health care in Canada, they have
more time and distance invested than when a Canadian comes
south.
In fact, the most common reason for a Canadian to cross the
border for health care is because that is the nearest alternative.
Nearby cities make local deals to help each other, even when
that involves crossing the US-Cdn border.
-Canadians visiting the US to receive health care-
In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276
Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical
care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter
had
traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[71]
A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of
Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to
the
use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not
support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek
care extensively in the United States."[72]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
A good article that busts many of the US MYTHS about Canadian
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19299.htm
Post by bpuharic
and last year
500,000 americans went abroad for heatlhcare.
Andre
Hey if you are satisfied having the government fuck up your health care
that's your business.

We CHOOSE otherwise.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Andre Lieven
2011-01-27 08:21:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:23:20 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care
and
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the
US for treatment.
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
actually, no. almost no canadians come here for health care
And, one aspect of this that needs to be remembered is that, while
most Canadians live within a two hour drive of the US (Ottawa 1 hour,
Montreal, 35 minutes, Toronto, an hour and a half, Vancouver 50
minutes, etc.), most USians live more than, say, six plus hours
from Canada. The only major cities in the US that are close to
Canada are Detroit, 5 minutes, and Seattle, about an hour.
NYC is seven hours from the Cdn border, Boston about 5,
Chicago also about 5, and so on. LA and Houston are days away.
So, when a Yank comes to get health care in Canada, they have
more time and distance invested than when a Canadian comes
south.
In fact, the most common reason for a Canadian to cross the
border for health care is because that is the nearest alternative.
Nearby cities make local deals to help each other, even when
that involves crossing the US-Cdn border.
-Canadians visiting the US to receive health care-
In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276
Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical
care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter
had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[71]
A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of
Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to
the use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not
support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek
care extensively in the United States."[72]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
A good article that busts many of the US MYTHS about Canadian
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19299.htm
Post by bpuharic
and last year
500,000 americans went abroad for heatlhcare.
Andre
Hey if you are satisfied having the government fuck up your health care
that's your business.
That statement isn't even right enough to be just wrong.

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > HEALTH

U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction

Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with
their
basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money
for
treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.

The study shows that people in the U.S. face longer wait times to see
doctors and have more trouble getting care on evenings or weekends
than do people in other industrialized countries. At the same time,
Americans were more likely to receive advice on disease prevention
and self-care than others.

One-third of Americans told pollsters that the U.S. health care
system
should be completely rebuilt, far more than residents of Australia,
Canada, New Zealand, or the U.K. Just 16 percent of Americans said
that the U.S. health care system needs only minor changes, the
lowest number expressing approval among the countries surveyed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136990,00.html

Even FOX NEWS belies your claim.
Post by Gray Ghost
We CHOOSE otherwise.
Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer

http://www.healthcare-now.org/another-poll-shows-majority-support-for-single-payer/

The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30
years ago, finds that, “59% [of Americans] say the government
should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say
such insurance should cover all medical problems.”

Only 32% think that insurance should be left to private enterprise.
---

You lose, 59 to 32.

Facts are foreign things to rightards. Thanks for adding to the
mounds of proof for that truth.

Andre
Loirbaj
2011-01-27 08:41:08 UTC
Permalink
I just don't like homosexuals. If you ask me, they're all homosexuals
in the (Hasting ) Pudding. Hey, I was glad when that Pudding
homosexual got killed in Philadelphia." Al Franken
Scout
2011-01-27 13:08:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
news:e5899f2a-5437-4329-930d-
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:23:20 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded
system, which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and
physician care and curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up
about 40 percent of provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion
($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to
the US for treatment.
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
actually, no. almost no canadians come here for health care
And, one aspect of this that needs to be remembered is that, while
most Canadians live within a two hour drive of the US (Ottawa 1
hour, Montreal, 35 minutes, Toronto, an hour and a half, Vancouver
50 minutes, etc.), most USians live more than, say, six plus hours
from Canada. The only major cities in the US that are close to
Canada are Detroit, 5 minutes, and Seattle, about an hour.
NYC is seven hours from the Cdn border, Boston about 5,
Chicago also about 5, and so on. LA and Houston are days away.
So, when a Yank comes to get health care in Canada, they have
more time and distance invested than when a Canadian comes
south.
In fact, the most common reason for a Canadian to cross the
border for health care is because that is the nearest alternative.
Nearby cities make local deals to help each other, even when
that involves crossing the US-Cdn border.
-Canadians visiting the US to receive health care-
In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276
Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical
care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter
had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[71]
A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of
Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to
the use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not
support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek
care extensively in the United States."[72]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
A good article that busts many of the US MYTHS about Canadian
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19299.htm
Post by bpuharic
and last year
500,000 americans went abroad for heatlhcare.
Andre
Hey if you are satisfied having the government fuck up your health
care that's your business.
That statement isn't even right enough to be just wrong.
FOXNEWS.COM HOME > HEALTH
U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction
Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with
their
basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money
for
treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.
<yawn>

Dissatisfaction is a subjective standard.

I suggest treating them to a Canadian style wait for treatment of many weeks
and I bet their satisfaction index for US health care would increase
drastically.

What is it currently 5 weeks for a simple CT scan and 10 weeks for an MRI?
Andre Lieven
2011-01-27 20:02:22 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 27, 8:08 am, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by Andre Lieven
news:e5899f2a-5437-4329-930d-
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:23:20 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded
system, which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and
physician care and curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up
about 40 percent of provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion
($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to
the US for treatment.
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
actually, no. almost no canadians come here for health care
And, one aspect of this that needs to be remembered is that, while
most Canadians live within a two hour drive of the US (Ottawa 1
hour, Montreal, 35 minutes, Toronto, an hour and a half, Vancouver
50 minutes, etc.), most USians live more than, say, six plus hours
from Canada. The only major cities in the US that are close to
Canada are Detroit, 5 minutes, and Seattle, about an hour.
NYC is seven hours from the Cdn border, Boston about 5,
Chicago also about 5, and so on. LA and Houston are days away.
So, when a Yank comes to get health care in Canada, they have
more time and distance invested than when a Canadian comes
south.
In fact, the most common reason for a Canadian to cross the
border for health care is because that is the nearest alternative.
Nearby cities make local deals to help each other, even when
that involves crossing the US-Cdn border.
-Canadians visiting the US to receive health care-
In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276
Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical
care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter
had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[71]
A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of
Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to
the use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not
support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek
care extensively in the United States."[72]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
A good article that busts many of the US MYTHS about Canadian
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19299.htm
Post by bpuharic
and last year
500,000 americans went abroad for heatlhcare.
Andre
Hey if you are satisfied having the government fuck up your health
care that's your business.
That statement isn't even right enough to be just wrong.
FOXNEWS.COM HOME > HEALTH
U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction
Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with
their
basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money
for treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.
<yawn>
Dissatisfaction is a subjective standard.
-That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed
without evidence.-
Post by Scout
I suggest treating them to a Canadian style wait for treatment of many weeks
and I bet their satisfaction index for US health care would increase
drastically.
Ibid.
Post by Scout
What is it currently 5 weeks for a simple CT scan and 10 weeks for an MRI?
Dumbasses make such claims, yet cannot back them up with any
citations are evidence.

Once again, we see how facts and evidence and the right are strangers
to each other...

Andre
Señor Herrrrerrra
2011-01-27 19:18:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:23:20 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care
and
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the
US for treatment.
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
actually, no. almost no canadians come here for health care
And, one aspect of this that needs to be remembered is that, while
most Canadians live within a two hour drive of the US (Ottawa 1 hour,
Montreal, 35 minutes, Toronto, an hour and a half, Vancouver 50
minutes, etc.), most USians live more than, say, six plus hours
from Canada. The only major cities in the US that are close to
Canada are Detroit, 5 minutes, and Seattle, about an hour.
NYC is seven hours from the Cdn border, Boston about 5,
Chicago also about 5, and so on. LA and Houston are days away.
So, when a Yank comes to get health care in Canada, they have
more time and distance invested than when a Canadian comes
south.
In fact, the most common reason for a Canadian to cross the
border for health care is because that is the nearest alternative.
Nearby cities make local deals to help each other, even when
that involves crossing the US-Cdn border.
-Canadians visiting the US to receive health care-
In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276
Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical
care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter
had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[71]
A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of
Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to
the use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not
support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek
care extensively in the United States."[72]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
A good article that busts many of the US MYTHS about Canadian
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19299.htm
Post by bpuharic
and last year
500,000 americans went abroad for heatlhcare.
Andre
Hey if you are satisfied having the government fuck up your health care
that's your business.
That statement isn't even right enough to be just wrong.
FOXNEWS.COM HOME> HEALTH
U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction
Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with
their
basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money
for
treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.
Does that include 30 million Mexican illegals and the people who buy
stuff and pay massive auto loans and Visa cards rather than monthly
insurance? Some of my greedy neighbors want to live well and get free
medical care, because paying for it isn't a priority.
Post by Andre Lieven
The study shows that people in the U.S. face longer wait times to see
doctors and have more trouble getting care on evenings or weekends
than do people in other industrialized countries.
Your ass, only because illegal aliens create a 6 -7 hour ER wait.

At the same time,
Post by Andre Lieven
Americans were more likely to receive advice on disease prevention
and self-care than others.
One-third of Americans told pollsters that the U.S. health care
system
should be completely rebuilt, far more than residents of Australia,
Canada, New Zealand, or the U.K. Just 16 percent of Americans said
that the U.S. health care system needs only minor changes, the
lowest number expressing approval among the countries surveyed.
Because those Americans prefer not to pay for health insurance.
Post by Andre Lieven
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136990,00.html
Even FOX NEWS belies your claim.
Post by Gray Ghost
We CHOOSE otherwise.
Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer
http://www.healthcare-now.org/another-poll-shows-majority-support-for-single-payer/
The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30
years ago, finds that, “59% [of Americans] say the government
should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say
such insurance should cover all medical problems.”
These same people want free cars, lower mortgage payments, and free food.
Post by Andre Lieven
Only 32% think that insurance should be left to private enterprise.
---
You lose, 59 to 32.
Facts are foreign things to rightards. Thanks for adding to the
mounds of proof for that truth.
Andre
No, we know how you Socialist parasites envy people who earn money and
own stuff. Get off your ass and improve yourself, man up and support
yourself, get some pride man.
Andre Lieven
2011-01-27 20:11:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:23:20 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care
and
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the
US for treatment.
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
actually, no. almost no canadians come here for health care
And, one aspect of this that needs to be remembered is that, while
most Canadians live within a two hour drive of the US (Ottawa 1 hour,
Montreal, 35 minutes, Toronto, an hour and a half, Vancouver 50
minutes, etc.), most USians live more than, say, six plus hours
from Canada. The only major cities in the US that are close to
Canada are Detroit, 5 minutes, and Seattle, about an hour.
NYC is seven hours from the Cdn border, Boston about 5,
Chicago also about 5, and so on. LA and Houston are days away.
So, when a Yank comes to get health care in Canada, they have
more time and distance invested than when a Canadian comes
south.
In fact, the most common reason for a Canadian to cross the
border for health care is because that is the nearest alternative.
Nearby cities make local deals to help each other, even when
that involves crossing the US-Cdn border.
-Canadians visiting the US to receive health care-
In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276
Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical
care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter
had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[71]
A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of
Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to
the use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not
support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek
care extensively in the United States."[72]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
A good article that busts many of the US MYTHS about Canadian
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19299.htm
Post by bpuharic
and last year
500,000 americans went abroad for heatlhcare.
Andre
Hey if you are satisfied having the government fuck up your health care
that's your business.
That statement isn't even right enough to be just wrong.
FOXNEWS.COM HOME>  HEALTH
U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction
Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with
their
basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money
for treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.
Does that include 30 million Mexican illegals and the people who buy
stuff and pay massive auto loans and Visa cards rather than monthly
insurance?
Ask them, since that appears to be YOUR issue.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Some of my greedy neighbors want to live well and get free
medical care, because paying for it isn't a priority.
-That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed
without evidence.-
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
The study shows that people in the U.S. face longer wait times to see
doctors and have more trouble getting care on evenings or weekends
than do people in other industrialized countries.
Your ass, only because illegal aliens create a 6 -7 hour ER wait.
Ibid.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
At the same time,
Post by Andre Lieven
Americans were more likely to receive advice on disease prevention
and self-care than others.
One-third of Americans told pollsters that the U.S. health care
system
should be completely rebuilt, far more than residents of Australia,
Canada, New Zealand, or the U.K. Just 16 percent of Americans said
that the U.S. health care system needs only minor changes, the
lowest number expressing approval among the countries surveyed.
Because those Americans prefer not to pay for health insurance.
Ibid.

You make many claims and back NONE of them up.

Thus, you have NO credibility, which has to be EARNED.

So, YOU are trying to get 'something for nothing'.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136990,00.html
Even FOX NEWS belies your claim.
Post by Gray Ghost
We CHOOSE otherwise.
Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer
http://www.healthcare-now.org/another-poll-shows-majority-support-for...
The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30
years ago, finds that, “59% [of Americans] say the government
should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say
such insurance should cover all medical problems.”
These same people want free cars, lower mortgage payments, and free food.
And here. IOW, I call bullshit.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
Only 32% think that insurance should be left to private enterprise.
---
You lose, 59 to 32.
Facts are foreign things to rightards. Thanks for adding to the
mounds of proof for that truth.
Andre
No, we know how you Socialist parasites envy people who earn money and
own stuff. Get off your ass and improve yourself, man up and support
yourself, get some pride man.
Your meds have failed. Again.

Andre
Bluesfan2U
2011-01-27 20:56:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:23:20 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care
and
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the
US for treatment.
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
actually, no. almost no canadians come here for health care
And, one aspect of this that needs to be remembered is that, while
most Canadians live within a two hour drive of the US (Ottawa 1 hour,
Montreal, 35 minutes, Toronto, an hour and a half, Vancouver 50
minutes, etc.), most USians live more than, say, six plus hours
from Canada. The only major cities in the US that are close to
Canada are Detroit, 5 minutes, and Seattle, about an hour.
NYC is seven hours from the Cdn border, Boston about 5,
Chicago also about 5, and so on. LA and Houston are days away.
So, when a Yank comes to get health care in Canada, they have
more time and distance invested than when a Canadian comes
south.
In fact, the most common reason for a Canadian to cross the
border for health care is because that is the nearest alternative.
Nearby cities make local deals to help each other, even when
that involves crossing the US-Cdn border.
-Canadians visiting the US to receive health care-
In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276
Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical
care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter
had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[71]
A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of
Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to
the use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not
support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek
care extensively in the United States."[72]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
A good article that busts many of the US MYTHS about Canadian
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19299.htm
Post by bpuharic
and last year
500,000 americans went abroad for heatlhcare.
Andre
Hey if you are satisfied having the government fuck up your health care
that's your business.
That statement isn't even right enough to be just wrong.
FOXNEWS.COM HOME> HEALTH
U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction
Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with
their
basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money
for treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.
Does that include 30 million Mexican illegals and the people who buy
stuff and pay massive auto loans and Visa cards rather than monthly
insurance?
Ask them, since that appears to be YOUR issue.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Some of my greedy neighbors want to live well and get free
medical care, because paying for it isn't a priority.
-That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed
without evidence.-
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
The study shows that people in the U.S. face longer wait times to see
doctors and have more trouble getting care on evenings or weekends
than do people in other industrialized countries.
Your ass, only because illegal aliens create a 6 -7 hour ER wait.
Ibid.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
At the same time,
Post by Andre Lieven
Americans were more likely to receive advice on disease prevention
and self-care than others.
One-third of Americans told pollsters that the U.S. health care
system
should be completely rebuilt, far more than residents of Australia,
Canada, New Zealand, or the U.K. Just 16 percent of Americans said
that the U.S. health care system needs only minor changes, the
lowest number expressing approval among the countries surveyed.
Because those Americans prefer not to pay for health insurance.
Ibid.
You make many claims and back NONE of them up.
Thus, you have NO credibility, which has to be EARNED.
So, YOU are trying to get 'something for nothing'.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136990,00.html
Even FOX NEWS belies your claim.
Post by Gray Ghost
We CHOOSE otherwise.
Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer
http://www.healthcare-now.org/another-poll-shows-majority-support-for...
The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30
years ago, finds that, “59% [of Americans] say the government
should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say
such insurance should cover all medical problems.”
These same people want free cars, lower mortgage payments, and free food.
And here. IOW, I call bullshit.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
Only 32% think that insurance should be left to private enterprise.
---
You lose, 59 to 32.
Facts are foreign things to rightards. Thanks for adding to the
mounds of proof for that truth.
Andre
No, we know how you Socialist parasites envy people who earn money and
own stuff. Get off your ass and improve yourself, man up and support
yourself, get some pride man.
Your meds have failed. Again.
There's nothing wrong with his meds. He just doesn't like the way he
"feels" when he takes them. Apparently schizophrenia / paranoia can be
enjoyable if the circumstances are right.
Post by Andre Lieven
Andre
Andre Lieven
2011-01-27 21:05:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bluesfan2U
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:23:20 -0600, Gray Ghost
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care
and
Post by Andre Lieven
Post by bpuharic
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Scout
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ad it's so good that when thier ministers get cancer they come to the
US for treatment.
A dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
actually, no. almost no canadians come here for health care
And, one aspect of this that needs to be remembered is that, while
most Canadians live within a two hour drive of the US (Ottawa 1 hour,
Montreal, 35 minutes, Toronto, an hour and a half, Vancouver 50
minutes, etc.), most USians live more than, say, six plus hours
from Canada. The only major cities in the US that are close to
Canada are Detroit, 5 minutes, and Seattle, about an hour.
NYC is seven hours from the Cdn border, Boston about 5,
Chicago also about 5, and so on. LA and Houston are days away.
So, when a Yank comes to get health care in Canada, they have
more time and distance invested than when a Canadian comes
south.
In fact, the most common reason for a Canadian to cross the
border for health care is because that is the nearest alternative.
Nearby cities make local deals to help each other, even when
that involves crossing the US-Cdn border.
-Canadians visiting the US to receive health care-
In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276
Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical
care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter
had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[71]
A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of
Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to
the use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not
support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek
care extensively in the United States."[72]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
A good article that busts many of the US MYTHS about Canadian
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19299.htm
Post by bpuharic
and last year
500,000 americans went abroad for heatlhcare.
Andre
Hey if you are satisfied having the government fuck up your health care
that's your business.
That statement isn't even right enough to be just wrong.
FOXNEWS.COM HOME>  HEALTH
U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction
Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with
their
basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money
for treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.
Does that include 30 million Mexican illegals and the people who buy
stuff and pay massive auto loans and Visa cards rather than monthly
insurance?
Ask them, since that appears to be YOUR issue.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Some of my greedy neighbors want to live well and get free
medical care, because paying for it isn't a priority.
-That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed
without evidence.-
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
The study shows that people in the U.S. face longer wait times to see
doctors and have more trouble getting care on evenings or weekends
than do people in other industrialized countries.
Your ass, only because illegal aliens create a 6 -7 hour ER wait.
Ibid.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
At the same time,
Post by Andre Lieven
Americans were more likely to receive advice on disease prevention
and self-care than others.
One-third of Americans told pollsters that the U.S. health care
system
should be completely rebuilt, far more than residents of Australia,
Canada, New Zealand, or the U.K. Just 16 percent of Americans said
that the U.S. health care system needs only minor changes, the
lowest number expressing approval among the countries surveyed.
Because those Americans prefer not to pay for health insurance.
Ibid.
You make many claims and back NONE of them up.
Thus, you have NO credibility, which has to be EARNED.
So, YOU are trying to get 'something for nothing'.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136990,00.html
Even FOX NEWS belies your claim.
Post by Gray Ghost
We CHOOSE otherwise.
Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer
http://www.healthcare-now.org/another-poll-shows-majority-support-for...
The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30
years ago, finds that, 59% [of Americans] say the government
should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say
such insurance should cover all medical problems.
These same people want free cars, lower mortgage payments, and free food.
And here. IOW, I call bullshit.
Post by Señor Herrrrerrra
Post by Andre Lieven
Only 32% think that insurance should be left to private enterprise.
---
You lose, 59 to 32.
Facts are foreign things to rightards. Thanks for adding to the
mounds of proof for that truth.
Andre
No, we know how you Socialist parasites envy people who earn money and
own stuff. Get off your ass and improve yourself, man up and support
yourself, get some pride man.
Your meds have failed. Again.
There's nothing wrong with his meds. He just doesn't like the way he
"feels" when he takes them. Apparently schizophrenia / paranoia can be
enjoyable if the circumstances are right.
Well, that would explain the Tea Baggers...

'If you want to understand why American is such a paradise for
high-class theives, just look at the way a manufactured
movement like the Tea Party corrals and neutralises public anger
that otherwise should be sending pitchforks in the direction of
downtown Manhattan.'

Page 12, Griftopia, Matt Taibbi.

'That's why it's so brilliant for the Tea Party to put forward as its
leaders some of the most egregiously stupid morons on our
great green earth. [...] -the Tea Party has made anti-
intellectualism itself a ralling cry.'

Page 13, ibid.

http://www.amazon.com/Griftopia-Machines-Vampire-Breaking-America/dp/0385529953/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_c

Andre
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 21:53:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with
their
basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money
for
treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.
Americans complain. That's what free people do.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Gray Ghost
2011-01-27 22:00:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andre Lieven
Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer
http://www.healthcare-now.org/another-poll-shows-majority-support-for-sin
gle-payer/
A poll conducted by CBS. Say isn't CBS the networked that broadcast forged
documetns about Bush?

Sorry absent questions and methodology I do not feel obligated to beleive
only 32% oppose single payer, especailly since that is in direct
contradiction fo any other poll I've seen.

And Health Care Now?

We are also an endorser of Amnesty International’s Healthcare is a Human
Right Coalition

Yeah, don't think so.

Have you ever considered that if you have to lie so much to make your point
it might be that what you are proposing isn't so good?
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Andre Lieven
2011-01-28 00:47:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gray Ghost
Post by Andre Lieven
Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer
http://www.healthcare-now.org/another-poll-shows-majority-support-for...
gle-payer/
A poll conducted by CBS. Say isn't CBS the networked that broadcast forged
documetns about Bush?
If one used that 'standard', then given the thousands of lies told by
the ReThuglican Party & it's propaganda arm, Faux Noise, one could
believe NOTHING that either one said...
Post by Gray Ghost
Sorry absent questions and methodology I do not feel obligated to beleive
only 32% oppose single payer, especailly since that is in direct
contradiction fo any other poll I've seen.
Heres one from those noted Commies, The Wall Street Journal...

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/090617_NBC-WSJ_poll_Full.pdf

-On the one hand, the American public overwhelmingly favors
a choice between getting insurance coverage either through the
private market or a government run option. Indeed, 76 percent
of respondents said it was either "extremely" or "quite"
important to "give people a choice of both a public plan
administered by the federal government and a private plan
for their health insurance."-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/17/obama-boost-new-poll-show_n_217175.html

So, if you have a problem with any of the polls,
please provide your EVIDENCE that there was anything
wrong with them...

No EVIDENCE offered ? Then, rightard dismissal of FACTS
fails.
Post by Gray Ghost
And Health Care Now?
We are also an endorser of Amnesty International’s Healthcare is a Human
Right Coalition
Yeah, don't think so.
Once again, do you have any EVIDENCE of flaws in the
polls' methodology ?

No, you DON'T. You just don't LIKE it that they blow away
your false claims. Too bad for you !
Post by Gray Ghost
Have you ever considered that if you have to lie so much to make your
point it might be that what you are proposing isn't so good?
<Massive Loony Projection>

Andre
RD Sandman
2011-01-26 20:25:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
Yea, and have worse health care generally.
Just look at the wait times in Canada.
"Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and
treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces
surveyed, fell from 17.9 weeks in 2004 back to the 17.7 weeks last
seen in 2003." 2005 Fraser Institure.
Who wants to wait 17 weeks for treatment?
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care and
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ooooops... ;)
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Gray Ghost
2011-01-26 20:49:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
Yea, and have worse health care generally.
Just look at the wait times in Canada.
"Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and
treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces
surveyed, fell from 17.9 weeks in 2004 back to the 17.7 weeks last
seen in 2003." 2005 Fraser Institure.
Who wants to wait 17 weeks for treatment?
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care and
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ooooops... ;)
I wonder if they even realize that a plan that needs to be lied about
loudly and continuously probably isn't in anyone's best interest.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
RD Sandman
2011-01-26 21:16:39 UTC
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Post by Gray Ghost
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
Yea, and have worse health care generally.
Just look at the wait times in Canada.
"Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and
treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces
surveyed, fell from 17.9 weeks in 2004 back to the 17.7 weeks last
seen in 2003." 2005 Fraser Institure.
Who wants to wait 17 weeks for treatment?
Post by Phlip
Nobody is spending "billions", and you are repeating the big lie.
"Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system,
which covers all "medically necessary" hospital and physician care and
curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40 percent of
provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3XO20100531
Ooooops... ;)
I wonder if they even realize that a plan that needs to be lied about
loudly and continuously probably isn't in anyone's best interest.
No.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
bpuharic
2011-01-27 04:04:00 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:09:36 -0500, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
Yea, and have worse health care generally.
Just look at the wait times in Canada.
and how long does someone in the US without health insurance wait?

oh. for their entire lives....not very long at all!
Post by Scout
"Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and
treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed,
fell from 17.9 weeks in 2004 back to the 17.7 weeks last seen in 2003."
2005 Fraser Institure.
Who wants to wait 17 weeks for treatment?
somebody who, in the US has to wait for 17 years, because they have no
health insurance
Señor Herrrrerrra
2011-01-27 19:19:43 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:09:36 -0500, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by Phlip
Post by Gray Ghost
Yeah, billions in government spending LOWERS the debt.
HMO reform will reduce the amount of money we pay into the system.
Countries with universal health care pay about half what we do.
Yea, and have worse health care generally.
Just look at the wait times in Canada.
and how long does someone in the US without health insurance wait?
oh. for their entire lives....not very long at all!
Post by Scout
"Total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and
treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed,
fell from 17.9 weeks in 2004 back to the 17.7 weeks last seen in 2003."
2005 Fraser Institure.
Who wants to wait 17 weeks for treatment?
somebody who, in the US has to wait for 17 years, because they have no
health insurance
Those people should talk to the illegal alien Mexican parasites who seem
to be first in line at all hospital ERs and Childrens' hospitals.
They get right in, major surgeries, all for free!!!
FarmI
2011-01-26 08:56:08 UTC
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"Lon Jimmes" <***@gmail.com> crossposted rubbish.
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