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Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and consciousness
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Kadaitcha Man
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Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
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This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"

Superlative bullshit from some of the above posters aside, the view
that they all seemed to support can be summarised as:

"There is no evolutionary reason for consciousness, but its role is
to increase the probability of persistence of the species in which
the process of consciousness emerges."

Introduction
============
The idea that evolution has a plan is just as much anathema to crackpot
creationists (young earthers) as it is to probably every atheist that
ever existed. In the case of young earthers, the idea is despised
because it denies a once and for all creation, with a complete absence
of evolution. In the case of atheists, it's despised because, without
any forethought, they infer that a plan necessarily entails a planner.
However I contend that evolution may indeed have a plan, which
necessarily entails purpose, and I also contend that the presence of a
plan does not mean we must invoke a planner.

In this essay I intend to show that there may indeed be an evolutionary
reason for consciousness, which is part of a plan, and I intend to do
this using only modern science. No Magical Sky Pixies, no Metaphysical
X's, no Invisible Pink Unicorns, and no stray noodley appendages
belonging to Flying Spaghetti Monsters.

IN SEARCH OF A PLAN
-------------------

Chance
======
The word 'chance' is used in this essay and it requires special
interpretation. An excellent treatment of the concepts that the word
embodies within evolutionary biology can be found in "Chance as an
explanatory factor in evolutionary biology" (Shanahan T. Department
of Philosophy, Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, CA 90045.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1801049

Darwinism
=========
Charles Darwin's seminal work is called "Origin of Species", not origin
of life. Darwinian evolution (Darwinism) adequately explains only how
species evolve from one kind to another. It does not explain the origins
of life. Indeed Darwinism assumes life as a pre-existing condition. The
presence of cells capable of division is one of two underpinning
assumptions in Darwinism. Conditions favourable to life pre-existing in
the planet's early environment is another fundamental assumption.
However Darwinism cannot explain these two conditions.

We need to look elsewhere for a plan.

Point of interest: Darwin himself, whilst atheist, was a natural
teleologist. He believed that nature depended on designed laws.

Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument -
Darwin wrote that "The old argument of design in nature, as given by
Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the
law of natural selection has been discovered."[12] Even so, Darwin held
that nature depended upon "designed laws" and commended Asa Gray for
pointing out that Darwin's work supported teleology.

Biology
=======
Darwinism is a foundational pillar of biology because it explains the
organisation we see in the plant and animal kingdoms. However just
because Darwinism doesn't indicate the plan we're looking for it does
not necessarily follow that the field of biology should be summarily
dismissed merely because of Darwinism. We need to investigate biology
for the plan we seek.

The science of biology itself is enormous in scope and it is not
possible to touch on all of it. The prevailing view of biologists with
respect to a plan for life will have to suffice.

Jacques Monod, quoted from
http://www.todayinsci.com/M/Monod_Jacques/MonodJacques-Quotations.htm

"A totally blind process can by definition lead to anything; it can even
lead to vision itself. "

"Chance alone is at the source of every innovaton [sic], of all creation
in the biosphere. Pure chance, only chance, absolute but blind liberty
is at the root of the prodigious edifice that is evolution... It today
is the sole conceivable hypothesis, the only one that squares with
observed and tested fact." - Stating life began by the chance collision
of particles of nucleic acid in the 'prebiotic soup.'

Stephen J Gould, quoted from
http://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/31-dennett-selections.htm - "wind
the tape of life back" and play it again and again, the likelihood is
infinitesimal of Us being the product on any other run through the
evolutionary mill.

For an excellent view of the meaning of chance in biology, see
http://www.santafe.edu/media/workingpapers/98-09-085.pdf
"On the dual nature of chance in evolutionary biology and paleobiology"
Gunther J. Eble, Committee on Evolutionary Biology, University of Chicago.

Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html
Darwin called his principle of the evolutionary process "natural
selection", a term that has given rise to almost as much confusion as
the malignant phrase donated to him by the philosopher Herbert Spencer,
"survival of the fittest". It has been understood to mean that the
natural world is an agent, selecting according to some purpose or goal;
that nature aims to perfect or complete the potential of a species.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ok, we must accept that the prevailing view is, paraphrasing the
talk.origins FAQ, the natural world is not an agent that selects
according to some purpose or goal.

There's no plan to be found there either. In fact, the talk.origins FAQ
explicitly denies any kind of plan, goal or purpose.

Primordial Slime
================
Abiogenesis is the theory that life arises from inorganic matter through
natural processes. It is the commonly held theory of how the vitality of
life appeared from lifeless matter.

Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ on the origins of life,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html - "Science
shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of matter
towards more and more complex structures. Atoms, stars and galaxies
self-assembled out of the fundamental particles produced by the Big
Bang. In first-generation stars, heavier elements like carbon, nitrogen
and oxygen were formed. Aging first-generation stars then expelled them
out into space � we, who consist of these elements, are thus literally
born from stardust. The heaviest elements were born in the explosions of
supernovae. The forces of gravity subsequently allowed for the formation
of newer stars and of planets. Finally, in the process of biological
evolution from bacteria-like tiny cells (the last universal common
ancestor, abbr. LUCA) to all life on earth, including us humans, complex
life forms arose from simpler ones."

Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ again,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html - Even the
simplest currently living cells contain hundreds of proteins most of
which are essential to their functioning. Yet such complexity cannot
have stood at the origin of life. Based on research in the field it is
proposed here how, once a self-replicating genetic molecule existed,
life might have started and gradual evolution of complexity was made
possible...

And again, http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html -
"In summary, based on available data a spontaneous origin of life as
simple 'cells' containing a single genetic polymer, upon which natural
selection could act, is feasible. A gradual evolutionary transition from
these to common cellular complexity would have been possible."

Quick Review
============
The scientific view of the origin of life can be summarised in one
sentence without losing anything from, or adding anything to, the
essence of what has been discussed above. Life has a natural origin.

The Planner
===========
If there is a plan then it is right to infer a planner but if we look
around it's quite obvious that if there is a planner we don't see one.
To all intents and purposes we can find no planner. However in order to
establish that a plan exists we do not have to establish a planner.

We are looking for a plan. We need a schema, a schematic, blueprints if
you will. If we can find a schema then the schema itself is sufficient
to disclose that a plan exists and we need not invoke logically
incoherent archetypes of various kinds of sky pixies; observation of
events unfolding in a consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan
or not.

Finally, if we are assuming that life had a natural origin, which we
are, then we don't need a planner at all. We only need find the plan.

The Plan
========
With big bangs, chaotic disorder of formless matter, enormously vast
masses of swirling, hot gas, chance collisions, exploding stars,
recycled stellar dust, colliding galaxies, the gradual accumulation of
molecules, pointless chemical reactions with no rhyme or reason, the
appearance of "simple 'cells' containing genetic polymers" and outright
denials of either purpose or goal it might be hard to see the genesis of
a plan anywhere, but it's there.

Queue a mind image of a chubby dwarf in a white suit and black dickie
tie ringing a bell and shouting "Ze plan! Ze plan!"

There isn't enough room to deal with highly complex dynamic systems,
celestial and galactic mechanics, chaos theory or complexity theory so
you'll just have to accept that chaos theory says simple systems can
exhibit complex behaviour. Complexity theory says there is a model of
activity in interactions. Cosmology tells us that the universe evolved
from hot plasma soup. Abiogenesis tells us that life arises from inorganic
matter.

For a good treatment of chaos in cosmology see "Order and chaos in
dynamical astronomy" by George Contopoulos -
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=7YkDhZCCLR4C&lpg=PP1&dq=chaos%20and%20order&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false
(http://tinyurl.com/4b67k7p)

Another very good book is "Emergence: from chaos to order" by John H.
Holland - http://books.google.com.au/books?id=VjKtpujRGuAC&lpg=PP1&dq=John%20Holland%20Emergence%3A%20From%20Chaos%20to%20Order&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false
(http://tinyurl.com/4ghndx7)

So Where's the Plan?
====================
"Science shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of
matter towards more and more complex structures."

What's the Plan?
================
Everything that we know about the origin of life, the universe and
everything, tells us that quarks self-organise into hadrons, hadrons and
electrons self-organise into atoms, atoms self-organise into elements
and molecules (with some help from tremendous heat and pressure),
elements and molecules self-organise into simple cells, simple cells
self-organise into garden slugs and atheists...

Recall what I said earlier, "observation of events unfolding in a
consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan or not."

The consistent pattern is persistent self-organisation of matter, always
from the least complexity toward a higher complexity. The only sensible
thing that can be said about this is that the plan must be built in to
the very matter we are made of.

Furthermore, the unfolding of evolution leads, inexorably,
self-assembling at every step of the way, in a dead straight line, from
quarks to garden slugs and atheists, and eventually to consciousness.

Jacques Monod, quoted under the biology heading above must be spinning
in his grave right now. He said, "A totally blind process can by
definition lead to anything; it can even lead to vision (sight) itself."

What he should have said is "A totally blind process can by definition
lead to anything; it can even lead to ENvision itself."

Matter has evolved to detect and observe itself.
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2011-01-28 15:35:45 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.

The reverse is in fact the case. Planner? Where is the location of the
planner within you? Consciousness doesnt fit within mental world of
relativity. It didnt start, it doesnt finish.

The mind considers eternity to be an extremely long time, and believes
the language of mathematics doesnt always lead to infinity.It looks
for questions, but never finds answers.

The greatest discoveries are always 'just another step'. The recent
excitement about the genome project, suddenly diminishes in the light
of epigenetics. "We" discover the 'god 'particle, theorize about
strings, postulate branes, and suddenly get confronted with dark or
anti matter.

Masters have always stated that such is the nature of the mind.
Circles within spirals, wheels within wheels.

No sky pixies, other than those created from within eternal
conscousness.

BOfL
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-28 16:20:14 UTC
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Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
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2011-01-28 22:00:33 UTC
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Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
Then you both are more or less saying that you want the reasons for
existence to be what you like and dislike instead of the best
evidence? That is bias not honest attempts to find truth.
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your leg over?' 'No, but I got tops and three fingers'.
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 00:34:00 UTC
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would rather jump from a plane without a parachute than be seen with a
female; always up for wild wrist aerobics with tumourous bum chum",
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Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
Then you both are more or less saying that you want the reasons for
existence to be what you like and dislike instead of the best
evidence? That is bias not honest attempts to find truth.
You are an unthinking nitwit. There is no proof that matter came first,
and it makes no difference to the conclusion if consciousness came
first. There are philosophical reasons for turning the assumption around
180 degrees.

You are a fuckwit, Immortalist. You cannot dispute the inescapable
conclusion so you pick nits and assert bullshit.

Soak your straw man in high octane rocket fuel, shove it up your
atheistic cloaca and light it.

You can fuck right off and die now, you sub-intellectual amoeba-brained
atheistic fool.
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2011-01-29 01:08:31 UTC
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Immortalist, whose name means "broken down back-door kicker; gay,
would rather jump from a plane without a parachute than be seen with a
female; always up for wild wrist aerobics with tumourous bum chum",
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I concur.
Then you both are more or less saying that you want the reasons for
existence to be what you like and dislike instead of the best
evidence? That is bias not honest attempts to find truth.
You are an unthinking nitwit. There is no proof that matter came first,
sure there is. we can see life develop on earth about 3.8B years ago.
we know of no life before that.

if you have proof to the contrary, present it
Post by Kadaitcha Man
You are a fuckwit, Immortalist. You cannot dispute the inescapable
conclusion so you pick nits and assert bullshit
ah. you ahve no proof. you have INSULTS and to you, those subsitute
for proof
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2011-01-29 02:46:54 UTC
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Immortalist, whose name means "broken down back-door kicker; gay,
would rather jump from a plane without a parachute than be seen with a
female; always up for wild wrist aerobics with tumourous bum chum",
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I concur.
Then you both are more or less saying that you want the reasons for
existence to be what you like and dislike instead of the best
evidence? That is bias not honest attempts to find truth.
You are an unthinking nitwit. There is no proof that matter came first,
sure there is. we can see life develop on earth about 3.8B years ago.
we know of no life before that.
And what did 'we' (or should that be 'they') see.

Why did the first cell divide.Which cam first, the dna or the cell.

Is dna 'life' or evidence of life.
Post by bpuharic
if you have proof to the contrary, present it.
Which bit of us 'sees' life develop 3.8 B years ago?

The inanimate substance have a desire for life?

Do we need a new term "smart atom".

Now consider which part of the brain searches for music (as in the
desire to compose)? Sure, with mri, we can see which part is
activated, but what creates the activation?

When you recognise yourself as a 'unit of consciousness', everything
makes sense. Until you do, nothing does, but like the priests of
old,in the mean time scientists will provide you with an explanation.

BOfL
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You are a fuckwit, Immortalist. You cannot dispute the inescapable
conclusion so you pick nits and assert bullshit
ah. you ahve no proof. you have INSULTS and to you, those subsitute
for proof
bpuharic
2011-01-29 02:57:52 UTC
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Immortalist, whose name means "broken down back-door kicker; gay,
would rather jump from a plane without a parachute than be seen with a
female; always up for wild wrist aerobics with tumourous bum chum",
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I concur.
Then you both are more or less saying that you want the reasons for
existence to be what you like and dislike instead of the best
evidence? That is bias not honest attempts to find truth.
You are an unthinking nitwit. There is no proof that matter came first,
sure there is. we can see life develop on earth about 3.8B years ago.
we know of no life before that.
And what did 'we' (or should that be 'they') see.
we can see stromatolites in fossilized rock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite
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Now consider which part of the brain searches for music (as in the
desire to compose)? Sure, with mri, we can see which part is
activated, but what creates the activation?
which has what to do with the origin of life on earth?
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When you recognise yourself as a 'unit of consciousness', everything
makes sense. Until you do, nothing does, but like the priests of
old,in the mean time scientists will provide you with an explanation.
i recognize myself as a unit of life. life does not mean
consciousness. life preceded consciousness. in fact, consciousness has
existed for only a few hundred thousand years on earth
uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
2011-01-29 03:21:27 UTC
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bpuharic, having flown over many knavish professions, thou settled
only on rogue. Ye deceased gallows bird, o ye boozy mannish coward, ye
tallow-faced nut. Ye defiled thy droopy avocados and cried
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Immortalist, whose name means "broken down back-door kicker; gay,
would rather jump from a plane without a parachute than be seen with a
female; always up for wild wrist aerobics with tumourous bum chum",
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
I concur.
Then you both are more or less saying that you want the reasons for
existence to be what you like and dislike instead of the best
evidence? That is bias not honest attempts to find truth.
You are an unthinking nitwit. There is no proof that matter came first,
sure there is. we can see life develop on earth about 3.8B years ago.
we know of no life before that.
And what did 'we' (or should that be 'they') see.
we can see stromatolites in fossilized rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite
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Now consider which part of the brain searches for music (as in the
desire to compose)? Sure, with mri, we can see which part is
activated, but what creates the activation?
which has what to do with the origin of life on earth?
Try, "which has what to do with consciousness?"

HTH
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life preceded consciousness. in fact, consciousness has
existed for only a few hundred thousand years on earth
That would explain only the fact of your own complete absence of sentience.

What is being said to you, not that you'll understand a single word of
it, is that contemporary physics, and hence the universe and everything
in it, is better understood if it is conceived of as being constructed
from thought rather than substance; that what and who we are and what is
real and what is not are not merely observations, but instead are the
very basis of ourselves and the realities we create for ourselves.

Now, create imaginary things that don't exist, and attack them with
great vigour. You know you can't help yourself.
bpuharic
2011-01-29 03:43:03 UTC
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bpuharic, having flown over many knavish professions, thou settled
only on rogue. Ye deceased gallows bird, o ye boozy mannish coward, ye
tallow-faced nut. Ye defiled thy droopy avocados and cried
Post by bpuharic
we can see stromatolites in fossilized rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite
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Now consider which part of the brain searches for music (as in the
desire to compose)? Sure, with mri, we can see which part is
activated, but what creates the activation?
which has what to do with the origin of life on earth?
Try, "which has what to do with consciousness?"
it proves that life emerged BEFORE consciousnessness
Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
HTH
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life preceded consciousness. in fact, consciousness has
existed for only a few hundred thousand years on earth
That would explain only the fact of your own complete absence of sentience.
why? do i LOOK like a creationist?
Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
What is being said to you, not that you'll understand a single word of
it, is that contemporary physics, and hence the universe and everything
in it, is better understood if it is conceived of as being constructed
from thought rather than substance
empty headed muddled thinking devoid of content or structure

prove your case. we can see when life emerged. matter...lifeless,
dead matter, preceded life. so your contention is, by all available
evidence

wrong


; that what and who we are and what is
Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
real and what is not are not merely observations, but instead are the
very basis of ourselves and the realities we create for ourselves.
meaningless word salad
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 03:58:57 UTC
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bpuharic, ye are the must chaff, and ye are smelt above the moon. Ye
nauseating full dish of fool, hang thyself, ye muddy conger. Ye talked
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bpuharic, having flown over many knavish professions, thou settled
only on rogue. Ye deceased gallows bird, o ye boozy mannish coward, ye
tallow-faced nut. Ye defiled thy droopy avocados and cried
Post by bpuharic
we can see stromatolites in fossilized rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite
Post by b***@gmail.com
Now consider which part of the brain searches for music (as in the
desire to compose)? Sure, with mri, we can see which part is
activated, but what creates the activation?
which has what to do with the origin of life on earth?
Try, "which has what to do with consciousness?"
it proves that life emerged BEFORE consciousnessness
No it doesn't. All it shows is a possibility that life emerged on this
planet prior to the evolution of a consciousness on this planet that
could observe and comprehend earlier forms of life.

Your claim fails on its face.
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HTH
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life preceded consciousness. in fact, consciousness has
existed for only a few hundred thousand years on earth
That would explain only the fact of your own complete absence of sentience.
why? do i LOOK like a creationist?
You show yourself to be wilfully stupid, without reservation, so in that
sense, yes, you look like a creationist.
Post by bpuharic
Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
What is being said to you, not that you'll understand a single word of
it, is that contemporary physics, and hence the universe and everything
in it, is better understood if it is conceived of as being constructed
from thought rather than substance
empty headed muddled thinking devoid of content or structure
prove your case. we can see when life emerged. matter...lifeless,
dead matter, preceded life. so your contention is, by all available
evidence
I just did prove my case.
Post by bpuharic
wrong
; that what and who we are and what is
Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
real and what is not are not merely observations, but instead are the
very basis of ourselves and the realities we create for ourselves.
meaningless word salad
Again, that's entirely your problem. No doubt your comprehension issues
are related to your unreserved, wilful stupidity.
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bpuharic
2011-01-29 22:16:06 UTC
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bpuharic, ye are the must chaff, and ye are smelt above the moon. Ye
nauseating full dish of fool, hang thyself, ye muddy conger. Ye talked
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Post by bpuharic
which has what to do with the origin of life on earth?
Try, "which has what to do with consciousness?"
it proves that life emerged BEFORE consciousnessness
No it doesn't. All it shows is a possibility that life emerged on this
planet prior to the evolution of a consciousness on this planet that
could observe and comprehend earlier forms of life.
gee. and how many planets do we know where there is life?

where can we observe intelligence before the evolution of life?

oh. nowhere. but you say it MUST exist

where?
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Your claim fails on its face.
and yours doesnt even HAVE a face
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Post by bpuharic
prove your case. we can see when life emerged. matter...lifeless,
dead matter, preceded life. so your contention is, by all available
evidence
I just did prove my case.
oh. you said it so it's true

where's the evidence?
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2011-01-29 02:34:56 UTC
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Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
Then you both are more or less saying that you want the reasons for
existence to be what you like and dislike instead of the best
evidence? That is bias not honest attempts to find truth.
You are an unthinking nitwit. There is no proof that matter came first,
and it makes no difference to the conclusion if consciousness came
first. There are philosophical reasons for turning the assumption around
180 degrees.
You are a fuckwit, Immortalist. You cannot dispute the inescapable
conclusion so you pick nits and assert bullshit.
Soak your straw man in high octane rocket fuel, shove it up your
atheistic cloaca and light it.
You can fuck right off and die now, you sub-intellectual amoeba-brained
atheistic fool.
--
one-eyed Willie : n. Penis.
I dont think he agrees with you Imm :-)

BOfL
uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
2011-01-29 02:47:14 UTC
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obese calf's head, an impertinent monsieur mock-water, a buck-toothed
devil-monk, no longer from head to foot than from hip to hip, thou art
spherical, like a globe, I could find out countries in thee. Ye
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Immortalist, whose name means "broken down back-door kicker; gay,
would rather jump from a plane without a parachute than be seen with a
female; always up for wild wrist aerobics with tumourous bum chum",
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Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
Then you both are more or less saying that you want the reasons for
existence to be what you like and dislike instead of the best
evidence? That is bias not honest attempts to find truth.
You are an unthinking nitwit. There is no proof that matter came first,
and it makes no difference to the conclusion if consciousness came
first. There are philosophical reasons for turning the assumption around
180 degrees.
You are a fuckwit, Immortalist. You cannot dispute the inescapable
conclusion so you pick nits and assert bullshit.
Soak your straw man in high octane rocket fuel, shove it up your
atheistic cloaca and light it.
You can fuck right off and die now, you sub-intellectual amoeba-brained
atheistic fool.
--
one-eyed Willie : n. Penis.
I dont think he agrees with you Imm :-)
Of course not. Science, the very thing all atheists claim to put their
undying faith in, has destroyed the very core of the concept of atheism.
No atheist would take that lying down, hence the chaotic grasping at
straws we are now seeing :)
bpuharic
2011-01-29 03:45:14 UTC
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Of course not. Science, the very thing all atheists claim to put their
undying faith in, has destroyed the very core of the concept of atheism.
No atheist would take that lying down, hence the chaotic grasping at
straws we are now seeing :)
yeah his argument is that god exists and therefore god exists

uh. ok
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 04:01:50 UTC
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bpuharic, ye alehouse painted sign. Ye good-for-nothing gorbellied
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Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
Of course not. Science, the very thing all atheists claim to put their
undying faith in, has destroyed the very core of the concept of atheism.
No atheist would take that lying down, hence the chaotic grasping at
straws we are now seeing :)
yeah his argument is that god exists and therefore god exists
There you go again, imagining things that don't exist. The god label has
been pulled right out of your arse, the seat of your dysfunctional,
remnant imagination.
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bride. As in: 'I don't know about Edward. There's a whiff of lavender
about that marriage'. See lavender, beard.
bpuharic
2011-01-29 22:16:34 UTC
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:01:50 +0800, Kadaitcha Man
Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, ye alehouse painted sign. Ye good-for-nothing gorbellied
Post by bpuharic
Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
Of course not. Science, the very thing all atheists claim to put their
undying faith in, has destroyed the very core of the concept of atheism.
No atheist would take that lying down, hence the chaotic grasping at
straws we are now seeing :)
yeah his argument is that god exists and therefore god exists
There you go again, imagining things that don't exist. The god label has
been pulled right out of your arse, the seat of your dysfunctional,
remnant imagination.
cant help you dude. you're the one staking your future on ouija boards
and seances
bpuharic
2011-01-28 22:20:50 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness

there is no mechanism for this to happen

it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Immortalist
2011-01-28 22:37:44 UTC
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fathered six children, all retards; likes fiendish undercover delights
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance

The fallacy of appeal to ignorance comes in two forms: (1) Not knowing
that a certain statement is true is taken to be a proof that it is
false. (2) Not knowing that a statement is false is taken to be a
proof that it is true. The fallacy occurs in cases where absence of
evidence is not good enough evidence of absence. The fallacy uses an
unjustified attempt to shift the burden of proof. The fallacy is also
called “Argument from Ignorance.”

Example:

Nobody has ever proved to me there’s a God, so I know there is no
God.

This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
bpuharic
2011-01-28 23:13:16 UTC
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
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The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on

theory

observation

it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
Nobody has ever proved to me there’s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science

there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter

and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong

go ahead. i'll accept your apology
Immortalist
2011-01-29 01:17:36 UTC
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
   Nobody has ever proved to me there s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
Actually your mistake had little to do with science. You made claims
for truth based only upon absence of information, not any evidence.
This is a no-no in logic.
bpuharic
2011-01-29 01:33:32 UTC
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:17:36 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
Actually your mistake had little to do with science
so you say. guess you think neither observation nor theory is part of
science

you're gonna have to prove that. because that's what i based my
statement on.


. You made claims
Post by Immortalist
for truth based only upon absence of information, not any evidence.
This is a no-no in logic.
uh no. i based it on the absence of OBSERVATIONS and the absence of a
MECHANISM

try reading what i wrote instead of what you think i wrote, OK?
Immortalist
2011-01-29 22:22:51 UTC
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:17:36 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
Actually your mistake had little to do with science
so you say. guess you think neither observation nor theory is part of
science
you're gonna have to prove that. because that's what i based my
statement on.
. You made claims
Post by Immortalist
for truth based only upon absence of information, not any evidence.
This is a no-no in logic.
uh no. i based it on the absence of OBSERVATIONS and the absence of a
MECHANISM
try reading what i wrote instead of what you think i wrote, OK?
You clearly committed the fallacy of ignorance since the evidence for
your arguments conclusion was the absences of evidence.

The Argument from Ignorance: Argument Ad Ignorantiam

The argument ad ignorantiam (from ignorance) is the mistake that is
committed when it is argued that a proposition is true simply on the
basis that it has not been proved false, or that it is false because
it has not been proved true. We realize, on reflection, that many
false propositions have not yet been proved false, and many true
propositions have not yet been proved true—and thus our ignorance of
how to prove or disprove a proposition does not establish either truth
or falsehood. This fallacious appeal to ignorance crops up most
commonly in the misunderstandings incidental to developing science,
where propositions whose truth cannot yet be established are
mistakenly held to be false for that reason, and also in the world of
pseudoscience, where propositions about psychic phenomena and the like
are fallaciously held to be true because their falsehood has not been
conclusively established.

Famous in the history of science is the argument ad ignorantiam given
in criticism of Galileo, when he showed leading astronomers of his
time the mountains and valleys on the moon that could be seen through
his telescope. Some scholars of that age, absolutely convinced that
the moon was a perfect sphere, as theology and Aristotelian science
had long taught, argued against Galileo that, although we see what
appear to be mountains and valleys, the moon is in fact a perfect
sphere, because all its apparent irregularities are filled in by an
invisible crystalline substance—an hypothesis that saves the
perfection of the heavenly bodies and that Galileo could not prove
false! Legend has it that Galileo, to expose the argument ad
ignorantiam, offered another of the same kind as a caricature. Unable
to prove the nonexistence of the transparent crystal supposedly
filling the valleys, he put forward the equally probable hypothesis
that there were, rising up from that invisible crystalline envelope,
even greater mountain peaks—but made of crystal and thus invisible!
And this hypothesis, he pointed out, his critics could not prove
false.

Those who strongly oppose some great change are often tempted to argue
against the change on the ground that it has not yet been proved
workable or safe. Such proof often is impossible to provide in
advance, and commonly the appeal of the objection is to ignorance
mixed with fear. Such an appeal often takes the form of rhetorical
questions that suggest, but do not flatly assert, that the proposed
changes are full of unknown peril. Policy changes may be supported, as
well as opposed, by an appeal to ignorance. When the federal
government issued a waiver, in 1992, allowing Wisconsin to reduce the
additional benefits it had been giving to welfare mothers for having
more than one child, the governor of Wisconsin was asked if there was
any evidence that unwed mothers were having additional children simply
in order to gain the added income. His reply, ad ignorantiam, was
this: "No, there isn't. There really isn't, but there is no evidence
to the contrary, either."

In some circumstances, of course, the fact that certain evidence or
results have not been obtained, after they have been actively sought
in ways calculated to reveal them, may have substantial argumentative
force. New drugs being tested for safety, for example, are commonly
given to rodents or other animal subjects for prolonged periods; the
absence of any toxic effect on the animals is taken to be evidence
(although not conclusive evidence) that the drug is probably not toxic
to humans. Consumer protection often relies on evidence of this kind.
In circumstances like these, we rely not on ignorance but on our
knowledge, or conviction, that if the result we are concerned about
were likely to arise, it would have arisen in some of the test cases.
This use of the inability to prove something true supposes that
investigators are highly skilled, and that they very probably would
have uncovered the evidence sought had it been possible to do so.
Tragic mistakes sometimes are made in this sphere, but if the standard
is set too high-if what is required is a conclusive proof of
harmlessness that cannot ever be given-consumers will be denied what
may prove to be valuable, even lifesaving, medical therapies.

Similarly, when a security investigation yields no evidence of
improper conduct by the persons investigated, it would be wrong to
conclude that the investigation has left us ignorant. A thorough
investigation will properly result in their being "cleared." Not to
draw a conclusion, in some cases, is as much a breach of correct
reasoning as it would be to draw a mistaken conclusion.

The appeal to ignorance is common and often appropriate in a criminal
court, where an accused person is presumed innocent until proved
guilty. We adopt this principle because we recognize that the error of
convicting the innocent is far more grave than that of acquitting the
guilty-and thus the defense in a criminal case may legitimately claim
that if the prosecution has not proved guilt beyond a reasonable
doubt, the only verdict possible is not guilty. The United States
Supreme Court strongly reaffirmed this standard of proof in these
words:

The reasonable-doubt standard ... is a prime instrument for reducing
the risk of convictions resting on factual error. The standard
provides concrete substance for the presumption of innocence—that
bedrock axiomatic and elementary principle whose enforcement lies at
the foundation of the administration of our criminal law.

But this appeal to ignorance succeeds only where innocence must be
assumed in the absence of proof to the contrary; in other contexts,
such an appeal is indeed an argument ad ignorantiam.

Introduction to Logic
by Irving M. Copi
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Logic-Irving-M-Copi/dp/0131898345/
bpuharic
2011-01-29 23:29:27 UTC
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:22:51 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:17:36 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Immortalist
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
Actually your mistake had little to do with science
so you say. guess you think neither observation nor theory is part of
science
you're gonna have to prove that. because that's what i based my
statement on.
. You made claims
Post by Immortalist
for truth based only upon absence of information, not any evidence.
This is a no-no in logic.
uh no. i based it on the absence of OBSERVATIONS and the absence of a
MECHANISM
try reading what i wrote instead of what you think i wrote, OK?
You clearly committed the fallacy of ignorance since the evidence for
your arguments conclusion was the absences of evidence.
nope. again, you miss the point.

you're welcome to keep trying to put words in my mouth. be my guest.
hell, fill up your entire post with the OED and say i did it.

but you'd be wrong.


i suggest you read again. when you start to understand science, you
c'mon back
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-30 00:40:13 UTC
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bpuharic, when thou is best, thou is a little worse than a man, and
when thou is worst, thou is little better than a beast. Ye are a dumb
haught insulting man, a bearded idle-boy, an unwholesome mammet, a
bawdy white-livered and red-faced beetle, thou thing of no bowels,
Post by bpuharic
trying to put words in my mouth
There goes yet another irony meter.
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b***@gmail.com
2011-01-29 04:04:00 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
   Nobody has ever proved to me there s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
Actually your mistake had little to do with science. You made claims
for truth based only upon absence of information, not any evidence.
This is a no-no in logic.
If you look at logic as a oceanic matrix, you will see why it isnt
much use beyond water locations.

BOfL
Immortalist
2011-01-29 22:25:09 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
   Nobody has ever proved to me there s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
Actually your mistake had little to do with science. You made claims
for truth based only upon absence of information, not any evidence.
This is a no-no in logic.
If you look at logic as a oceanic matrix, you will see why it isnt
much use beyond  water locations.
So this will make evidence, in the form of no evidence, stronger than
or equal to evidence? You contradict yourself, besides logic is merely
an outline, a particular application of basic human reasoning like you
used to even make your conclusion about the matter. You act as if you
can do without logic and turn around and use logic, duh.
Post by b***@gmail.com
BOfL
b***@gmail.com
2011-01-30 03:45:48 UTC
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Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
   Nobody has ever proved to me there s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
Actually your mistake had little to do with science. You made claims
for truth based only upon absence of information, not any evidence.
This is a no-no in logic.
If you look at logic as a oceanic matrix, you will see why it isnt
much use beyond  water locations.
So this will make evidence, in the form of no evidence, stronger than
or equal to evidence?
Your question validates my point (not that "I" needed any such
validation). Others may identify with the difference in approach.
Post by Immortalist
You contradict yourself, besides logic is merely
an outline, a particular application of basic human reasoning like you
used to even make your conclusion about the matter.
When someone talks of 'outside the water', it can only appear as a
contradiction to those still under the surface.
Post by Immortalist
You act as if you
can do without logic and turn around and use logic, duh.
Such childish responses from someone who presents the image you
attempt to do.

BOfL
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Post by b***@gmail.com
BOfL
Bill
2011-01-29 02:27:13 UTC
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
   Nobody has ever proved to me there s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
I think the point is that saying a lack of evidence is proof of non
existence is fallacious.

Bill
bpuharic
2011-01-29 02:37:49 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
I think the point is that saying a lack of evidence is proof of non
existence is fallacious.
so, of course, is asserting proof of existence using the assertion AS
proof
Free Lunch
2011-01-29 14:10:37 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
   Nobody has ever proved to me there s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
I think the point is that saying a lack of evidence is proof of non
existence is fallacious.
But that's more a trivial misuse of the word proof. It's not the sort of
fallacy you engage in when you claim that something exists when there is
absolutely no supporting evidence for it, even though that evidence
would be there if the item existed.
Christopher A. Lee
2011-01-29 14:20:56 UTC
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Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bill
Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
   Nobody has ever proved to me there s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
I think the point is that saying a lack of evidence is proof of non
existence is fallacious.
But that's more a trivial misuse of the word proof. It's not the sort of
fallacy you engage in when you claim that something exists when there is
absolutely no supporting evidence for it, even though that evidence
would be there if the item existed.
The liar knows that, just as he knows he was lying with his "no
evidence that it doesn't exist therefore it is proof that it doesn't"
because he has replaced "falsifiable position" with "proof".

But that is what Conner has been doing here since 1993.

He's a Christian.

We know him by his fruits.
Bill
2011-01-29 20:54:47 UTC
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Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bill
Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
Nobody has ever proved to me there s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
I think the point is that saying a lack of evidence is proof of non
existence is fallacious.
But that's more a trivial misuse of the word proof. It's not the sort of
fallacy you engage in when you claim that something exists when there is
absolutely no supporting evidence for it, even though that evidence
would be there if the item existed.
Merely claiming something exists calls it into existence to the one
making the claim. The evidence is in the claim itself. If the one
making the claim is really serious, the burden of proof falls to the
one arguing for the non-existence of the thing claimed to exist. All
of this makes the notion of evidence, and certainly proof, rather
subjective. It then collapses into absurdity since someone obligates
himself to prove the non-existence of something. Fallacies are
inevitable.

Bill
Free Lunch
2011-01-29 21:51:14 UTC
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Post by Bill
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bill
Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
Nobody has ever proved to me there s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
I think the point is that saying a lack of evidence is proof of non
existence is fallacious.
But that's more a trivial misuse of the word proof. It's not the sort of
fallacy you engage in when you claim that something exists when there is
absolutely no supporting evidence for it, even though that evidence
would be there if the item existed.
Merely claiming something exists calls it into existence to the one
making the claim.
Nonsense.
Post by Bill
The evidence is in the claim itself. If the one
making the claim is really serious, the burden of proof falls to the
one arguing for the non-existence of the thing claimed to exist.
No.
Post by Bill
All of this makes the notion of evidence, and certainly proof, rather
subjective.
Your misunderstanding of logic and critical thinking does that.
Post by Bill
It then collapses into absurdity since someone obligates
himself to prove the non-existence of something. Fallacies are
inevitable.
Starting with your claims.
Apostate
2011-01-30 00:41:19 UTC
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Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bill
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Bill
Post by bpuharic
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:37:44 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
science is based on
theory
observation
it's hard to say something is scientific if it's NEVER observed. ever
and if there is no MECHANISM for it to happen
Post by Immortalist
Nobody has ever proved to me there s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
your entire premise is wrong because it ignores the need for
MECHANISMS in science
there is no MECHANISM for inteligence to exist apart from matter
and EVERY SINGLE ASSERTOIN to the contrary has been wrong
go ahead. i'll accept your apology
I think the point is that saying a lack of evidence is proof of non
existence is fallacious.
But that's more a trivial misuse of the word proof. It's not the sort of
fallacy you engage in when you claim that something exists when there is
absolutely no supporting evidence for it, even though that evidence
would be there if the item existed.
Merely claiming something exists calls it into existence to the one
making the claim.
Nonsense.
Post by Bill
The evidence is in the claim itself. If the one
making the claim is really serious, the burden of proof falls to the
one arguing for the non-existence of the thing claimed to exist.
No.
Post by Bill
All of this makes the notion of evidence, and certainly proof, rather
subjective.
Your misunderstanding of logic and critical thinking does that.
Post by Bill
It then collapses into absurdity since someone obligates
himself to prove the non-existence of something. Fallacies are
inevitable.
Starting with your claims.
Pill has transcended invincible ignorance, and moved on to invincible
fuckheadedness.
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Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 21:24:50 UTC
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Free Lunch, an ass head and a presumptuous dame and a fantastical
knave, a fresh piece of excellent witchcraft and a damned
tripe-visaged rascal. Ye are a frothy erroneous vassal, a hot-headed
chaos, a guts-griping recreant and most degenerate traitor, a
Post by Free Lunch
But that's more a trivial misuse of the word proof.
And the rest of what you wrote is unthinking fuckwittery.
Post by Free Lunch
It's not the sort of
fallacy you engage in when you claim that something exists when there is
absolutely no supporting evidence for it, even though that evidence
would be there if the item existed.
Let's turn your claim around 180 degrees. Would you agree or disagree
with the following wholly contrary paraphrase of your claim...?

'It is a blatant fallacy to claim that something does not exist in
reality when there is absolute rock solid supporting evidence for it.'

Of course, you need to be very careful because I have always and without
fail accused you of being a 100% pure, unadulterated fuckwit who is
incapable of even simple thought. I expect nothing less than the same
from you wrt the modified and now new claim above.

So, to make my position irrefutably clear to you and to any other
atheist fuckwit who might amble along in a vain effort to justify their
fuckwittery, I will assert, as a scientific fact, which I will
unquestionably establish, that:

It is scientifically provable that some solid thing X does not exist in
reality even when there is absolute rock solid supporting evidence for X.

Go ahead, take a pathetic attempt at blowing the assertion sky high, and
in the process prove not only that the claim is wholly true, but also
prove the claim that you and all atheists like you are the unthinking
amoeba-brained fuckwits I say you are.

And just in case you missed it, I will repeat it - it is scientifically
provable that some solid thing X does not exist in reality even when
there is absolute rock solid supporting evidence for X.

I await your hilariously mad atheistic flailing about and frothing at
the mouth for my outright denial that your hallucinatory reality is in
any way real in the truest sense of the word.

You might like to start your destruction of my claim by smashing your
head full force into a brick wall and offering your caved-in skull as
evidence.
--
genitalia failure : n. To suffer loose sausage meat (qv), brewer's
droop; marshmallowing of the love muscle.
Colonel Jake
2011-01-29 23:17:49 UTC
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<Newsfroups added:>
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Free Lunch, an ass head and a presumptuous dame and a fantastical
knave, a fresh piece of excellent witchcraft and a damned
tripe-visaged rascal. Ye are a frothy erroneous vassal, a hot-headed
chaos, a guts-griping recreant and most degenerate traitor, a
Post by Free Lunch
But that's more a trivial misuse of the word proof.
And the rest of what you wrote is unthinking fuckwittery.
Post by Free Lunch
It's not the sort of
fallacy you engage in when you claim that something exists when there is
absolutely no supporting evidence for it, even though that evidence
would be there if the item existed.
Let's turn your claim around 180 degrees. Would you agree or disagree
with the following wholly contrary paraphrase of your claim...?
'It is a blatant fallacy to claim that something does not exist in
reality when there is absolute rock solid supporting evidence for it.'
Of course, you need to be very careful because I have always and without
fail accused you of being a 100% pure, unadulterated fuckwit who is
incapable of even simple thought. I expect nothing less than the same
from you wrt the modified and now new claim above.
So, to make my position irrefutably clear to you and to any other
atheist fuckwit who might amble along in a vain effort to justify their
fuckwittery, I will assert, as a scientific fact, which I will
It is scientifically provable that some solid thing X does not exist in
reality even when there is absolute rock solid supporting evidence for X.
Go ahead, take a pathetic attempt at blowing the assertion sky high, and
in the process prove not only that the claim is wholly true, but also
prove the claim that you and all atheists like you are the unthinking
amoeba-brained fuckwits I say you are.
And just in case you missed it, I will repeat it - it is scientifically
provable that some solid thing X does not exist in reality even when
there is absolute rock solid supporting evidence for X.
I await your hilariously mad atheistic flailing about and frothing at
the mouth for my outright denial that your hallucinatory reality is in
any way real in the truest sense of the word.
You might like to start your destruction of my claim by smashing your
head full force into a brick wall and offering your caved-in skull as
evidence.
<may BoB have Mercy on our Souls>

I sure could use?,
"One of your famous 'Signature Recipes!!! (Kadaitcha Man).' .."

*fried fetus and boiled placenta in amniotic fluid dip is just getting
so boring*
(???---any suggestions---???)

--
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time)

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Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 01:31:40 UTC
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Immortalist, whose name means "old betty; a wanker; a total loser",
Post by Immortalist
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
fathered six children, all retards; likes fiendish undercover delights
Post by b***@gmail.com
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Appeal to Ignorance
The fallacy of appeal to ignorance comes in two forms: (1) Not knowing
that a certain statement is true is taken to be a proof that it is
false. (2) Not knowing that a statement is false is taken to be a
proof that it is true. The fallacy occurs in cases where absence of
evidence is not good enough evidence of absence. The fallacy uses an
unjustified attempt to shift the burden of proof. The fallacy is also
called �Argument from Ignorance.�
Nobody has ever proved to me there�s a God, so I know there is no
God.
This kind of reasoning is generally fallacious. It would be proper
reasoning only if the proof attempts were quite thorough, and it were
the case that if God did exist, then there would be a discoverable
proof of this.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6
Just fyi, I prefer this reference for logical fallacies:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html

I derive a morbid sense of pleasure from directing atheists to an
atheistic website belonging to an ultra-atheist organisation of atheist
networks calling itself atheistweb that describes the fuckwittery of
atheists.
--
love spuds : n. Root vegetable found in the shreddies (qv).
bpuharic
2011-01-29 01:47:49 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
I derive a morbid sense of pleasure from directing atheists to an
atheistic website belonging to an ultra-atheist organisation of atheist
networks calling itself atheistweb that describes the fuckwittery of
atheists.
funny he thinks the failed idea of god is rescued by science when the
sky spook was conjured in the absence of science
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 02:01:16 UTC
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bpuharic, whose name means "debilitated sphincter boy; has steep,
backward-sloping forehead; partial to lewd hose humping with older
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
I derive a morbid sense of pleasure from directing atheists to an
atheistic website belonging to an ultra-atheist organisation of atheist
networks calling itself atheistweb that describes the fuckwittery of
atheists.
funny he thinks the failed idea of god is rescued by science when the
sky spook was conjured in the absence of science
What god? I have no beliefs in the existence of any god.

Face it, fucktard, you just can't stop yourself from creating imaginary
things that simply do not exist. One can only conclude that you are, in
point of actual fact, a closet godbot.
--
Plymouth Argyles rhym. slang Piles.
bpuharic
2011-01-29 02:15:47 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, whose name means "debilitated sphincter boy; has steep,
backward-sloping forehead; partial to lewd hose humping with older
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
I derive a morbid sense of pleasure from directing atheists to an
atheistic website belonging to an ultra-atheist organisation of atheist
networks calling itself atheistweb that describes the fuckwittery of
atheists.
funny he thinks the failed idea of god is rescued by science when the
sky spook was conjured in the absence of science
What god? I have no beliefs in the existence of any god.
sure you do. you got all these spook beliefs about seances and crap.
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Face it, fucktard, you just can't stop yourself from creating imaginary
things that simply do not exist. One can only conclude that you are, in
point of actual fact, a closet godbot.
aw gee whiz. fucktard? c'mon that's so COMMON. be inventive! be bold!

for example:

i could call you a pus dripping labia dragging horse twat

but i wont
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 02:22:23 UTC
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bpuharic, whose name means "cloying non-operative transsexual; thinks
he's good, but he's not; only has one eyebrow that goes right across
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, whose name means "debilitated sphincter boy; has steep,
backward-sloping forehead; partial to lewd hose humping with older
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
I derive a morbid sense of pleasure from directing atheists to an
atheistic website belonging to an ultra-atheist organisation of atheist
networks calling itself atheistweb that describes the fuckwittery of
atheists.
funny he thinks the failed idea of god is rescued by science when the
sky spook was conjured in the absence of science
What god? I have no beliefs in the existence of any god.
sure you do. you got all these spook beliefs about seances and crap.
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Face it, fucktard, you just can't stop yourself from creating
imaginary
things that simply do not exist. One can only conclude that you are, in
point of actual fact, a closet godbot.
aw gee whiz. fucktard? c'mon that's so COMMON. be inventive! be bold!
i could call you a pus dripping labia dragging horse twat
I can play that game far better than you, you brown-cherry clutching,
brown-hole slurring, gnu chirruping, jerboa squawking, ass-thrasher
defecating, arse princess grubbing, woodpecker fowling, giraffe
enfeoffing, barfairy mildewing, rabbit-sucker nidificating, homeless
man yellowing, flash-woman vitrifying, shnush quibbling, painted-lady
drooling, labia fondling, thigh farting, black cat with its throat cut
moiling, desperado spewing, hamster sniveling, visitor to Vegemite
valley squealing, hamburger worshipping, berdache garbling, pig
caressing, gay swallowing, whisker biscuit slurping, pooper quacking,
fish pie skipping, poop chute feeding, wino boozing, zebra driveling,
castaway puling, back-hole gauding, bourneville boulevard shirking,
Hershey-highway higgling, brown-cherry whining, easy-woman inbreeding,
stick shift dinning, lobster claw hunting, blue-veiner hunting, belly
preening, toucan gauding, geezer belaboring, truncheon drolling,
pushover chivying, hole-puncher presupposing, sea horse misconstruing,
buttock frolicking, ditch grazing, white-tailed rat usurping, head
louse evading, Siamese cat barking, head blight turgescing, magpie
preening, womb raider whirling, intestines barking, ulcer farting,
macho-slut belaboring, tripe poking, heat-seeking moisture missile
neighing, Jezebel grazing, ring master intoning, rear entrance
drooling, ligament fearing, heart-shaped box gobbling, turkey buzzard
swallowing, blue-veined piccolo screwing, puckered-gazoo jerking,
hippopotamus infesting, cullion trilling, pussing boil mewing, triss
flagging, ne'er-do-well squandering, jobby-jouster roving, rat
nidificating, pelican feeling, tuna town fagging, hog's eye
scratching, ki-ki stealing, blowhole stinking, bronze-eye wearying,
Hershey-highway skipping, box-house girl libeling, bottomite
clutching, scrotum scringing, merry-legs folk-dancing, slug's belly
disrupting, porridge pump lusting, slice spewing, turd burglar
muddling, hanging hag licking, penis scarfing, head louse officiating,
yo-yo-knickers wheezing, fuckstress tooting, vagabond prying, stomach
spangling, clack-dish wirbling, leech groveling, tailgater taboring,
armadillo decrepitating, vein swallowing, taco warmer burping, pube
kabob porking, Dilberry-Creek decrepitating, wild-woman folk-dancing,
giblet banging, penis watching, ragbag head-jobbing, male flight
attendant pining, guttersnipe quibbling, quinnie driveling, vagabond
preaching, slippery sheath farrowing, lady of the streets distorting,
castaway twitching, pile of dog shit bewailing, excrescence
asperating, gooseberry preaching, bourneville boulevard poking,
scrounger smoking, freakface intonating, larderer floundering,
jaihouse-turnout squabbling, brown-berry supplicating, chuff adder
bewailing, hoodlum absconding, Bovril-bypass hunting, crapper sliming,
spinal cord caressing, hinder-entrance spewing, meat massager
frolicking, colossus holding, mendicant belaboring, meat tunnel
butt-fucking, outcast fowling, strumpet disjointing, camp coochie
kissing, skin clutching, blain yodeling, blowtorch springing, belly
wearying, infection blaspheming, maricon scarfing, plewie scarfing,
beef soldier obfuscating, chimpanzee goffering, hooker spitting,
shirker misling, welfare bum manuring, worm casting fondling, poodle
shrinking, hind-boot misconstruing, lesbian fowling, hot stick
beady-eying, bone smuggler bellowing, homogene posing, beaver
wallowing, fantail chortling, hoof squealing, walloper flagging,
crapper grinning, cock sheath gulping, splooge moose quibbling,
squirrel stinking, spikebit agonising, back-slice barking, canker
bellyaching, droppings pouting, dirt-road quiescing, meat 'n' potatoes
quavering, chocolate-highway belaboring, labia undulating,
winker-stinker farting, galley slave slabbering, chuff wearying,
lobby-lizzie intonating, lobster mewing, artery smoking, gipsy
manuring, goggle-eye tranquilising, infection bewildering, pussy
feeder weeping, humper tumefying, cormorant folk-dancing, kentucky
telescope farting, chinball wizard kippering, skippy slurping, rot
swallowing, vagabond farting, immigrant intonating, snake charmer
grubbing, scrotum equivocating, kinsey six gurgling,
chocolate-buttonhole floundering, merry-legs limping, stinkhole-bay
copping, uphill gardener inbreeding, rectum boozing, massage parlor
hostess stealing, twat waffle pirouetting, farting-clapper stinking,
tramp bellowing, fish mothering, Indian rhinoceros sucking, eye
puking, one-eyed trouser trout sniveling, creamery drooling, papa's
poker greasing, frog mollifying, buttock-climber infesting, gnash
goggling, butt ranger resounding, sexpot grubbing, ninja slipper
loafing, shehe effeminating, trouser mouse dabbling, slop hole
sputtering, snatch-peddler flocculating, narwhal infesting, fuffle
leg-lifting, brain springing, homeless man mizzling, lovemonger
goggling, fuck-bunny dabbling, bosco-boulevard generalising, tapir
pumping, stinkhole-bay misling, butt-pirate biting, amphibian
postulating, bankside lady trifling, lesion puckering, tonsil
toothbrush postulating, chimney cleaner burning, hot stick chirping,
freak out tilting, mudeye lusting, nut-hook gadding, cadbury-alley
badgering, pervert barreling, castaway driveling, remora eel rotating,
cunt-stabber hyperbolising, smut-slut shampooing, blancmange
clutching, zookeeper rarefying, blurt butt-fucking, mutton javelin
libeling, humper groveling, liver driveling, skin folk-dancing,
wolverine flagging, Venus-with-a-penis moralising, bat-cave slavering,
four-lipped man eater pilfering, jellyfish gibbering, brown-eye
nitrifying, giblet toadying, jizz queen smoking, back eye groveling,
abscess fermenting, running sore peering, whoopie-wench kippering,
back-cave whinnying, sloth imploring, peanut badgering, pariah
usuring, hagfish mollifying, smackey stultifying, carbuncle twisting,
wanderer squabbling, roast beef curtain fermenting, chocolate
buttonhole wearying, cock squeezer twitting, peach grabbing,
painted-woman mothering, spew hard breathing, monkey gargling,
bratwurst whimpering, homeless man twisting, foot folk-dancing,
chicken grabbing, ward of the state whacking, mobster moiling, po-po
hyperbolising, molten mushroom repenting, foot mounting, zealot
loafing, meat thermometer pissing, tri-fold floppy whimpering, loser
gobbling, vomit carping, butt hole bethumping, bottle-of-scent
waddling, ass pirate basting, newt biting, wanderer posing, bum hole
feoffing, giblet vegetating, kooter chivying, intruder puddering,
gay-bachelor festering, bimbo squalling, art teacher whiffling, bum
greasing, running sore bethumping, pancreas pining, castrati loafing,
turd burglar sniggering, gazoo pimping, concubine skulking, throbbing
python of love feeling, wrong-door scumming, frankenstein gasifying,
goat fodgeting, yum yum eating, slime slit wheezing, gut smoking, skin
perambulating, jiz junky groveling, carrier pigeon flocculating,
frothing gash screaking, butt slut inbreeding, lesion vitrifying, wart
nidulating, bum spangling, tunnel quiescing, stern-chaser stooping,
stench-trench stalking, lady in red enfeoffing, cullion floundering,
arse monkey staring, hose chivying, eel vegetating, penguin peering,
dolphin jerking, phlegm sprouting, sparrow thrumming, brown-eye miner
flocculating, ham sandwich slubbering, calf misconceiving, flatulence
caressing, kazoo barreling, hobo greasing, show-off waggling, ass
burglar smoking, fogey usurping, grifter worshipping, nomad flapping,
cancer flocculating, knob polisher fagoting, needlewoman absconding,
block of concrete gauding, fudge-packer quackling, hymen wallowing,
dawdler swallowing, stingray squalling, wretch falling,
freaky-cum-girl warbling, sheena juggling, spit bloating, hymen
clutching, ditch slut gaggling, pariah blabbing, cockroach quackling,
transient wallowing, duodenum clawing, backwoods-fiddler absconding,
heinie-highway misconceiving, lowlife libeling, pumpion preening,
brown-hole taboring, pokey rabbeting, refugee roving, mampala
flopping, hymen decrepitating, gaping hole subserving, wide open
spaces blasting, jerkin' gherkin flinching, thigh fuddling, intruder
searching, butt pirate squealing, tail sobbing, furuncle lurking,
tubesteak tarzan scribbling, tail smelling, split slavering, stench
trench slavering, slave-boy gaggling, nomad slushing, dawdler
peddling, intestine scribbling, northern fur seal blowing, back eye
imploring, sir lance-a-lot disbelieving, fart hole drooling, fast-lady
groveling, green bean tilting, landing strip supplicating, marmoset
laming, foreigner jerking, tramp numbing, aging-actress hugging,
arselicker dichotomising, gangster cackling, minimus frolicking, frump
barreling, bottomite pasturing, adenoid fowling, barking-spider
wheezing, marten abstaining, birth canal farrowing, chocolate-speedway
gibbering, wilbert gurgling, artery enfeoffing, dilly-boy blaspheming,
chocolate-hole benumbing, flesh maggot roving, gutted rabbit
imploring, bum-hole shrinking, bunghole bandit trilling, jerboa
absconding, ken cracker neighing, haricot feeding, crank shaft mother
fucking, smackey chuckling, freckle quibbling, skin diver vegetating,
vole nitrifying, electric eel usurping, madge-cull vegetating, halibut
twitting, hairy mary manuring, fandango gurgling, pussy prowling,
third-eye ferreting, mug groveling, fusspot pirouetting, farmer
twitting, whacko feoffing, kookaburra drolling, appendix manuring,
running sore imploring, bob dole prying, scullion quavering, eight
inches of blunt fury puking, lumberjack protesting, sleepy-time-girl
guzzling, scrotum nidificating, hot-box flapping, roast beef pita
loitering, rear-entrance lusting, artery eating, ringpiece absconding,
miss pussy smiling, frog ulcerating, vegemite digger effeminating,
bartender puking, jizz-babe protesting, three-way girl usuring,
slimeball pumicating, rot absconding, genitalia fagoting, snake
blasting, O-ring gumming, intestines twittering, anaconda moping,
fast-girl falling, bum cankering, nihilist scumming, A-hole yodeling,
carnal stump bleating, old fart repenting, couch potato thrumming,
love hole sputtering, dead-cert excruciating, food-dropper
postulating, fifth-point-of-contact mothering, food-dropper
intonating, codger bloating, scullion boohooing, tiny tim
flocculating, tree toad worshipping, waffle inbreeding, flash moll
prowling, window-girl astonishing, uranian wailing, ass goblin
groveling, Gary-Glitter flouncing, mushroom-tipped love dart
fellating, third-sexer jumping, mr. plumpy floating, gladys
bewildering, porthole suckling, flip-flop tumefying, itinerant
butt-fucking, worm preaching, bottle-of-scent bum-dancing, scullion
flapping, booger ferreting, hind-boot gurgling, loose-gowned woman
deafening, red haired lass chortling, piece-of-ass gobbling, pookie
drolling, dirt-hole rabbeting, knick-knack falling, man pussy
warbling, office clerk jumping, prairie dog gulping, jack-a-nape
shrinking, manatee wearying, southern smile thrumming, rosebud
benumbing, variant worshipping, groaner stalking, chocolate-speedway
puling, deep-veined purple-helmeted spartan of love peering, great
pyramid vitrifying, nostril fodgeting, lust sword sniffing, panhandler
mother fucking, moll frolicking, belly festering, scumbag flouncing,
A-hole trifling, heshe bewailing, abscess munching, fancy-piece
ulcerating, axe wound shirking, indigent sobbing, Marmite masher
whiffling, drag queen wheezing, dunce sniggering, snotty lips
presuming, asshole fearing, dalmatian stultifying, mucus membrane
farrowing, ring-snatcher whinnying, creamsicle greasing, whoopee-girl
fussing, blurt taboring, blurter gauding, round-brown dizzying,
chiseller bellowing, street-whore dragging, sagging bacon cones
twittering, hymen waggling, pigeon hunting, corgi trifling, chinchilla
shrinking, fancy-woman libeling, chiseller sucking, dirty cumpie
barreling, chocolate-buttonhole fizzling, faggot's moll slubbering,
gypsy misconstruing, pearl diver rummaging, round steak kissing,
blowhole feoffing, pee pee qrasping, eye draggling, cleaner preening,
dirt-hole benumbing, bufty sliming, abscess bemoaning, mudeye
rotating, northern fur seal jerking, might-have-been fluttering,
breast warbling, man-eater usurping, barracuda pouting, calf
shriveling, macaque cankering, badger smelling, puppy sucking,
headache astonishing, lady-of-the-town abstaining, cream-puff
kippering, drug baron drooling, hoop-stretcher yodeling, mr. friendly
dizzying, tattoo-queen twitching, orchid boat screaking, throat choker
jumping, destitute fagoting, moll moping, dicky dino fearing, bufty
blasting, giblet waddling, quince goggling, spit blabbing, ripe fruit
juggling, lowlife disjointing, nonentity gauding, party crasher
puking, fudge-pipe redarguing, gooney bird subserving, owl
squandering, cock of death searching, fart hole twitting, spit
stinking, hock tumefying, gina la salsa enfeoffing, brown starfish
presuming, biffen rarefying, head louse scabbing, remnant weeping,
flea defecating, sea otter wearying, blind butler slurping, rhinoceros
stooping, growler resounding, salami grande screwing, stench trench
thrumming, fast-woman limping, bone smuggler pumping, girl scout
flouncing, guttersnipe carping, meandering mamma chirruping,
cuttlefish flagging, nincompoop laming, wacker fagging, snot-nosed cow
nitrifying, hyena lusting, nervous nelly loitering, terrapin quacking,
buggeranto goffering, rot misling, duodenum hooting, water buffalo
flinching, nihilist toadying, m2f-centric gaggling, peter's punching
bag slurping, windjammer kippering, labia basting, head mewing,
jailbird halfcocking, earthworm abstaining, dung ball scarfing,
shirker greasing, poontang evacuating, vagrant cackling, oak tree
planter wailing, entrails dramatising, infecter squalling, wood
weeping, mendicant barking, gay-lady smoking, puddle of puke
hyperbolising, ragbag belaboring, testicle tickler fizzling,
colon-bowler bemoaning, slice waggling, mr. eel-y benumbing, cyst
bellyaching, sister-of-the-night numbing, flypaper skulking, wanderer
halfcocking, gonad ulcerating, 'roid wrangler scabbing, snotty lips
giggling, underachiever holding, racketeer bloating, old fart pumping,
offal suckling, third leg drooling, budgerigar abstaining, thumper
excruciating, down-and-out fagoting, appendix blarneying, intruder
lisping, infection dramatising, crapper-tapper transuding, poltroon
twitching, outcast slurring, muff monster higgling, haddock pasty
obfuscating, piece of dog excrement transuding, pimple inbreeding,
welfare bum usurping, wrong-door stinking, layabout chirruping, bum
hole flinching, mighty anaconda baffling, fast-woman pissing,
buffarilla misconceiving, verve pipe tooting, leper puckering, bandit
perambulating, bawdy basket pirouetting, crotch cobbler leg-lifting,
bufty hugging, coxcomb wailing, rusty bullet hole clawing, spigot
chortling, almeja hunting, stumblebum presupposing, refugee blabbing,
cadger dandifying, mosquito defecating, drain-pipe chuckling,
shit-hole thrumming, cancer hopping, appendix chortling, mucus
membrane shirking, snack pack trifling, fish hole qrasping, gangster
suppurating, love glove chirping, scullion laming, schlock
dichotomising, handbag skipping, mars bar hoveling, knob shiner
falling, butt slut quiescing, weekend ho wirbling, snutch garbling,
arse beard bobbing, shrimp pie flaking, sidewalk-pickup loitering,
goggle-eye gadding, rodent moping, fundamentalist wheezing, manhole
sucking, sperm harbor guzzling, hairy fairy copping, toilet roll
copping, party girl wheezing, short-time girl porking, corn scavenger
nitrifying, batty-hole gamboling, fag-bag posing, electric eel
twisting, sticky shooter imploring, Miss Thing fellating, emu moping,
bizzle flapping, party-girl higgling, lowlife frolicking, genitalia
barking, sissy pants hopping, dogfish smoking, gut wrench barking, elk
stinking, marten clutching, otter's pocket stooping, ward of the state
bemoaning, similsexualist quilting, stool pusher boggling, fast-food
restaurant worker pissing, couch potato inbreeding, ward of the state
rarefying, liver squalling, vagooter griping, swamp-donkey gobbling,
vomit transuding, corgi fuddling, quoit squabbling, cullion blasting,
gigsy pouting, flaps mother fucking, rooster fish grabbing, jackal
qrasping, cakeboy hard breathing, innards numbing, washout flinching,
rear seat gunner loitering, prairie chicken shirking, criminal
griping, impacted tooth intonating, lamer chirping, hard-boiler
kippering, droppings wearying, joker chirruping, octopus bemoaning,
jaded-jenny flaking, hoo-hoo usurping, strumpet flagging, breakfast
burrito rabbeting, zone subserving, anal ninja freaking, sweetie
tumefying, flaps numbing, San Fransisco cowboy slabbering, kazoo
excruciating, mongoose undulating, wild-girl licking, bum-hole
bewildering, locust boozing, flower boohooing, bum hole perambulating,
giblet quilting, thief trifling, gator grip grazing, vein thrumming,
party crasher blaspheming, slimeball fowling, one of those gauding,
bunghole gamboling, señor happy waddling, ankle spanker puritanising,
kini mewing, ivory shaft dichotomising, balloon-knot imploring,
prairie dog boohooing, bunghole dabbling, winker-stinker cankering,
bung bandit tumefying, bush festering, major man chowder hoveling,
blind-eye burrowing, fuck-passage pasturing, love leg smelling,
farmhand badgering, tarantula presupposing, miscreant mewing,
windward-passage qrasping, clam hammer fuddling, lump of mould
copping, whore monger gumming, brown-hole leg-lifting, star-fucker
chivying, jerk neighing, gynie drolling, woodchuck flocculating,
outcast vegetating, wench of the game pouting, birth canal intoning,
grommet puritanising, cutpurse presupposing, loose-gowned woman
resounding, breast flaking, zebra hopping, fugitive whacking, lobster
fermenting, sex hole dinning, stench-trench spangling, hot popsicle
roving, turkey buzzard failing, huckle slubbering, cock of death
disbelieving, ten-o'clock girl belaboring, bald avenger flouncing,
deportee whimpering, clodge pirouetting, piece of pork shirking,
flip-flop lumbering, brain mizzling, bed sister blowing, wretch
gossiping, raven tumefying, shirker muddling, meatsicle folk-dancing,
zigzagger fagoting, ten-o'clock girl blasting, appendix clutching,
anteater clawing, reprobate licking, zone disrupting, lizard
moralising, brown artist gibbering, sir lance-a-lot tumefying, meat
flapper supplicating, tenderloin-madam gossiping, Danish-pastry
floundering, thief disjointing, slick dilly prying, passion pistol
hopping, bruce prying, hairy Mary skipping, giant garden slug
groveling, stomach subserving, fugitive presupposing, fetus feeler
belaboring, malignancy rummaging, hooligan turgescing, love-wand
gauding, jailbird waggling, cutworm whirling, sperm whale mollifying,
porkeroon hyperbolising, Hershey spangling, foreigner fizzling, heifer
puttering, yeast pocket slabbering, cockroach swallowing, love-peddler
grubbing, goo pot misconstruing, bottom mollifying, chocolate-eye
freaking, meat cigar mildewing, eye loafing, foreigner ululating,
slattern flouncing, blain presupposing, peacemaker slavering, cow
wirbling, Hawaiian-eye slurring, cavity greasing, crack weeping,
sloppy oyster prying, crack presupposing, goose mizzling, undertaker
ferreting, fat embolism chuckling, Gary-Glitter puddering, cobra
postulating, gadfly fermenting, vagooter poking, fruit bat
officiating, bum puling, similsexualist preening, Norway rat foraging,
nooner peddling, lady of accommodating morals griping, short-arm
bandit vitrifying, jackhammer shunting, fugitive transuding, hot
pocket mounting, spam dagger fluttering, dinglehopper suppurating,
buffarilla twanging, dicky dino juggling, nerve squealing, conill
fermenting, camp coochie shriveling, gay-girl resounding, baby maker
limping, tool of the patriarchy presupposing, wart clawing, prairie
chicken fowling, innards nidulating, cooter rummaging, nerve hurrying,
mole rat scribbling, garden shrub disrupting, wood rat griping,
vaheena lurking, chocolate-road prying, pink-pants usuring,
ne'er-do-well inbreeding, breast sniggering, town-tramp clutching,
pink pie fowling, lady of the scarlet sisterhood bellowing, deadbeat
fussing, frog infesting, woman of easy virtue gauding, holy poker
frenching, moose intoning, muffin quavering, boigl caressing, also-ran
folk-dancing, one-holed bologna phone quiescing, gumboil leg-lifting,
leech stultifying, vagabond gasifying, pointer worshipping, lower lips
grinning, walk-up-fuck blasting, labia twitting, short-heeled-wench
rabbeting, ying yang chirruping, poonani peering, hedgehog watching,
wastrel vegetating, mr. bo spangling, heart-shaped box wirbling,
migrant loitering, fuckster rabbeting, church mouse puckering, liver
giggling, midas loitering, wilbur sniffing, whore blowing, innards
undulating, nervous nelly skipping, yum-yum-girl goggling, pope john
pole iii repenting, excrescence hoveling, weenie wringer blaspheming,
man's ruin groveling, butt-pirate licking, captain hook puttering,
libertine munching, ringpiece quackling, also-ran weeping,
old-dirt-road twitting, intestines subserving, kidney goggling, fancy
lady floundering, boneless fish floundering, box lunch at the y
muddling, gong-girl squandering, tree mouse skulking, mud puppy
slabbering, gay-bachelor preaching, servants entrance gaggling,
custard pump belaboring, miscreant mounting, woman about town
springing, dirt-box snickering, madge-cull carping, fuzz box preening,
butt hole gauding, right-sort yodeling, hagfish grazing, body-worker
festering, pussyfart clawing, possum infecting, vaheena slubbering,
mucus membrane rarefying, hole cork boozing, destitute screwing,
beagle turgescing, short-heeled-wench kowtowing, fleshpot fodgeting,
nailhead biting, malignancy whinnying, hurry-whore toadying, mr.
wiggly dizzying, chocolate-hole kowtowing, woman-of-Babylon stealing,
pavement-pounder stultifying, head dinning, abscess subserving,
peter-puffer obfuscating, gargoyle barking, sticky bun snickering,
taco whore feeding, poofter evading, wretch spewing, dingle scarfing,
libertine twittering, whoopee-fluff greasing, gooseberry-grinder
drooling, kill-joy moping, beaver carping, minge sucking, snapper
screaking, loose-bodied-woman lusting, action jackson molesting,
nightcrawler blasting, crotch taco grubbing, platypus blabbing, shrew
asperating, dromedary camel infesting, farting-clapper porking, tail
driveling, stallion screaking, veeg pining, fatso bleating, venus fly
trap hard breathing, yoni gumming, wino flouncing, playgirl
flickering, French-woman shriveling, chinchilla abstaining, loser
tilting, poka-her-hontas kissing, zygote wheedling, pink brownie cake
fearing, needlefish neighing, starling intoning, full meal licking,
artery sobbing, russell the love muscle tooting, putty pusher
dramatising, easy lay groveling, morphodyte shriveling, dirt-bag
barreling, jimmer jammer quibbling, dead-cert jerking, baboon
spangling, belly warbling, hairy fairy grasping, kazoo infecting,
bugger preaching, sparrow quilting, musk ox mizzling, suck-queen
bethumping, furuncle smelling, gangster subserving, bed sister
snatching, hoo-ha taboring, wanker spanker wearying, take-out-hooker
head-jobbing, window-girl draggling, homeless man boggling,
Gary-Glitter mothering, robber bamboozling, foo-foo springing, Jesuit
stultifying, petrol-pump attendant holding, lounger quiescing, gallows
bird clutching, poo percolator mizzling, weenie screaking, lovebud
preaching, funk hole biting, snatch pointer equivocating, pooper
screwing, dunce badgering, gooseberry-maker boozing, wretch scringing,
bald-headed hermit toadying, hick flaking, doberman defecating,
stumblebum quibbling, cashier gurgling, giblet feeling, fish pie
grinning, tootsie suppurating, easy-lay shriveling, corndog barreling,
codeye tooting, leper screwing, love-peddler bitching, bronze-eye
warbling, leech searching, gooseberry-maker imploring, brass-eye
beady-eying, hyena abstaining, behind pasturing, muscle goggling,
ginch whoring, little-brown-eyeball puritanising, entrails slushing,
welfare bum flagging, infection hard breathing, old fart chortling,
old man fizzing, pork-and-bean vegetating, down-and-out lisping,
lobster bum-dancing, clydesdale thrumming, gina la salsa poking,
hind-boot gamboling, scarlet-woman evading, sweet meat cankering,
morning glory puritanising, hostess sniffing, tent peg grazing,
fast-chick moralising, sure-thing banging, cock sucker gasifying,
muffler spuming, fadge stultifying, feigele goggling, cock warmer
quilting, fairy queening, loose woman presuming, bat watching,
farting-clapper jumping, outcast gadding, fuck-passage sobbing,
porthole gauding, manta ray repenting, head grubbing, hick boggling,
polvo idolatrising, hot-back blarneying, shirker trifling, bent-wrist
intoning, duodenum bespangling, hippopotamus disbelieving, penis
warmer stealing, Hershey-squirter sucking, weevil guzzling, old man
excruciating, bowels effeminating, loose-bodied-woman fizzling, twat
torpedo rummaging, pariah whining, cradle of filth chirruping,
strumpet shirking, king dingaling ululating, boiler spangling,
knickerbocker-wearer blowing, giney stinking, meatsicle fussing, pole
smoker flaking, stem-wheeler burping, pro feoffing, cum slinger
fizzing, blight dinning, giblet nidificating, meerkat perambulating,
innards halfcocking, sloth feeling, commercial beaver clutching,
porridge bazooka hard breathing, colon crusader tooting, tasty little
morsel stammering, sagging bacon cones whimpering, twat expander
presuming, arse-packer twittering, freaky-cum-girl fuddling, mr.
bozack shriveling, eunuch biting, rectum badgering, seagull gaggling,
belly scarfing, robber feeling, brigand hugging, crotch vomiter
bespangling, common maid spewing, hymen manuring, foreigner pining,
map of tasmania bum-dancing, born loser stewing, rear-entrance
slavering, lizard shrinking, macaque tranquilising, hoodlum
scratching, idler evacuating, lady of the night prying, vault puling,
sex pistol hyperbolising, transient presupposing, rectum banging,
foofer head-jobbing, wombat barreling, piston rod postulating, ditch
prowling, mayonnaise pistol cackling, brigand quilting, trollop
freaking, beard splitter puttering, bum-hole wallowing, burlap sister
frolicking, battie-boy bewildering, julio libeling, ammunition-whore
giggling, spittlebug mildewing, labia grabbing, trouser tortoise
deafening, running sore evacuating, possum sniveling, joker
mollifying, intestine robber floating, garbage carter quiescing,
greengrocer squawking, female genital organ watching, bonobo monkey
clawing, vein head-jobbing, vault slumping, chocolate starfish poker
chortling, grasshopper fuddling, pato hugging, pearl pit skulking,
broad griping, pro gasifying, chipmunk lumbering, fuckrag
misconstruing, jeerer quackling, moll farrowing, cullion whimpering,
flesh-peddler spangling, wastrel turgescing, short-time girl
bewildering, scut moiling, third leg wallowing, old fart pasturing,
scrounger foraging, give-and-take-girl blabbing, butt-pirate
protesting, teabag bellowing, gluteus maximus flinching, loser
absconding, cocoa-canal whining, bow-legged swamp donkey basting,
grandpa's knee fellating, fallen woman eating, yum-yum-girl
blarneying, horse's feedbag flinching, abscess fagoting, Gary-Glitter
burping, flea spewing, gingerbread nitrifying, windward-passage
failing, heinie-highway kowtowing, dog gibbering, turkey buzzard
misconstruing, heartworm astonishing, racketeer purloining, ligament
warbling, broom sniveling, bandit prying, old fella molesting,
back-porch pouting, stinkinoonie absconding, fish taco loitering, beef
garage dichotomising, red deer fellating, spitting python pissing,
male flight attendant decrepitating, foreigner undulating, jack in the
box preening, winker-stinker bum-dancing, cloven hoofter wallowing,
mudeye licking, intestine sniffing, rottweiler feeling, hot stick
bobbing, appendix flapping, short-time girl blabbing, skid-row bum
scarfing, porpoise wirbling, bowels pasturing, head shrinking, leech
lumbering, rectum nidificating, commercial beaver pissing, itinerant
generalising, gonad flopping, orangutan trilling, muffy wearying,
sin-sister astonishing, kick stand blowing, jolthead fanaticising, rot
sputtering, carcinoma evading, droog scribbling, loser vegetating,
porridge gun misconstruing, Manx cat failing, buzzard puking, rear
seat gunner sputtering, hymen stultifying, rot giggling, ball buddy
stultifying, chocolate-starfish peddling, bankside lady evading,
snooch spitting, back-slit blowing, moll imploring, date-locker
perjuring, bum-basher scratching, sea otter thrumming, walloper
pissing, fifth-point-of-contact scabbing, piss stain whiffling, brown
cherry tooting, muffhole asperating, cave hunter greasing, anal collar
fuddling, fortune nookie griping, flirt-girl licking, immigrant
frolicking, split-faced hair shark warbling, fifth-point-of-contact
dichotomising, joy-sister fizzing, garage of love undulating, muckhole
preening, woodchuck usurping, wretch infesting, loser groveling, arse
burglar bellyaching, mister drooling, butt-hole staring, brown-daisy
squalling, splittail gobbling, cuttlefish whimpering, reject
agonising, hamburger springing, stretch johnson shampooing, fast party
holding, post-surgical transsexual whiffling, flycatcher quackling,
foot-licker bamboozling, cancer hurrying, whey-face farting, crutch
dichotomising, farkleberry carping, jim and the twins mothering,
richard cranium gobbling, blain whiffling, goo pot drolling, criminal
guzzling, buffalo gums frenching, little shepherd boy smiling,
commercial beaver sniggering, swinger dinning, poo hatch roving,
eye-of-the-ass taboring, bit of cunt hissing, hot-box screaking,
nagger peddling, crotch taco floating, chocolate-road whimpering,
queen groveling, brown-berry badgering, peacemaker limping, toad
resounding, velvet glove purloining, scarlet woman shunting, groupie
mildewing, furuncle biting, bitch swallowing, abscess excruciating,
batfish lurking, fluttering love wallet squawking, libertine wheezing,
butt-pussy clutching, lobster floating, rooster rotating, gangster
draggling, cockatoo grabbing, Scarlet-Harlot stalking, show-off
snatching, scarlet woman drolling, professional-woman agonising, willy
washer bewildering, chocolate-hole decrepitating, swizzle stick
shunting, poo hatch whimpering, hock stinking, ne'er-do-well
pilfering, party crasher numbing, panhandler ferreting, dinner masher
waggling, caterpillar gargling, little-brown-eyeball tooting, pot
holder muddling, fluff jerking, scrubber preening, pineapple
blarneying, muscle benumbing, nerve whimpering, painted-woman
nitrifying, wombat subserving, honky-tonk usurping, twat drip
rarefying, cum canal drooling, blue whale dichotomising, excrescence
hooting, pro frolicking, pookie intonating, hot-tailed-woman shunting,
dirt-box chirruping, liver spuming, bologna curtains beady-eying, clam
flocculating, bazoo bum-dancing, tail-pipe twittering, skunk fowling,
bacteria boggling, tree mouse staring, skunk kissing, split-arse
stinking, abscess fermenting, chichi squandering, welly-boot top
gossiping, spew bellyaching, meatloaf lumbering, crumpet hard
breathing, pussy feeling, skivvies lizard stalking, indigent
suppurating, nanny goat blowing, pig ferreting, fink officiating,
sturgeon transuding, road sweeper hoveling, slut jerking, whammy bar
wearying, puddings spangling, baggage freaking, wart agonising, bat
stooping, muscle nitrifying, walloper sniggling, scum carping, worm
fermenting, twat waffle prowling, man-lover sobbing, coffin fly
higgling, spunk pit peering, pleasure-lady qrasping, whoopee-girl
jumping, blight loafing, bone polisher pumicating, love-lady farting,
brown cherry shampooing, desperado quavering, navajo hogan drolling,
lovebud puttering, soapy disrupting, commercial beaver vomiting, quick
shot sam burrowing, yeast pocket goffering, yawner moiling, innards
flocculating, good-for-nothing shriveling, artery flapping, gong-girl
guzzling, bum-boy boggling, sperm belcher quilting, snatch-peddler
bleating, blowhole dramatising, chocolate-buttonhole farting, penis
penitentiary lumbering, cancer squandering, back-passage ululating,
freaky-cum-girl wallowing, furuncle floundering, cholera germ
redarguing, cannibal floundering, filthy hatchet wound nitrifying,
pheasant grasping, deviate copping, mendicant wheedling, pootietang
gossiping, appendix slubbering, jam-tart agonising, flasher
floundering, handbag boy fizzling, camp-queen stammering, stool pusher
skulking, tripe fussing, domestic cat giggling, waste of space
generalising, mattress muncher suckling, reject stalking, cookie
quilting, remnant moiling, pauper blowing, pariah perambulating,
hot-back vomiting, castaway molesting, puddin pie giggling, titmouse
twisting, pudding yodeling, behind eating, nostril generalising,
blue-veined jackhammer pumicating, robber prying, robber fondling,
tortoise screaking, hay-bag postulating, kitchen slave resounding,
tuna dabbling, cock jockey hunting, knacker warbling, hot-tailed-woman
evacuating, jack in the box cackling, miffy blasting, penguin
usurping, cunt scrubber absconding, sporting-woman hyperbolising, head
shirking, glory-hole protesting, tomato stammering, beat moll chewing,
iron hoof officiating, carcinoma blasting, intestine supplicating,
washout gargling, pork danglies twitting, pustule fodgeting, flunky
pumping, bob dole deafening, tootsie gauding, heart fearing,
pipe-cleaner sucking, quokka bewildering, red-light sister stealing,
velvet box hurrying, ol' one-eye fondling, bald butler spuming, rice
queen shirking, dick dock moiling, fancy-woman squealing, bum chugger
basting, nostril tilting, frogmouth owl fowling, mama's boy scabbing,
rusty bullet hole quavering, scarlet-woman gumming, tampon tunnel hard
breathing, ass-boy munching, broom dramatising, hippopotamus whining,
oaf howling, scoundrel agonising, grease monkey hoveling, flat-backer
gaggling, hind-boot hyperbolising, kazoo juggling, variant
effeminating, haddock grasping, Jezebel smiling, butt-hole grazing,
cow quiescing, mobster perambulating, chuff chum hissing, food-dropper
frolicking, humper pouting, tail-gate misconstruing, brass-eye
ulcerating, buster hymen tilting, bouquet-of-pansies puritanising,
lust-bitch wheezing, rectum floundering, cullion blaspheming, innards
taboring, intestines benumbing, nomad shriveling, twinkie
hyperbolising, arsehole flagging, born loser mounting, back-parlour
chirruping, ham roll higgling, pig-meat dinning, crutch moiling,
semen-swallower toadying, pile of dog shit pissing, pelt fondling, eye
doctor enfeoffing, foo foo usuring, pearl hotel postulating, kidney
bean puttering, bladder queening, chameleon spewing, maricon
blaspheming, Japanese macaque poking, lobster imploring, koala bear
higgling, navajo hogan yodeling, scrunt clawing, back cave nitrifying,
gila monster frenching, wet-nurse springing, fish factory dabbling,
boom stick presuming, lady of the evening slubbering, infection
bespangling, chowder dumper equivocating, soul pole pouting, droppings
groveling, arse monkey fermenting, yeast pocket scarfing, bane
sprouting, good-time-girl hoveling, sugar stick farting, taco warmer
failing, bullfrog fuddling, belly poking, prostitute fowling, magpie
fuddling, sturgeon quibbling, exasperator mother fucking, gill fungus
feeding, nincompoop equivocating, one-way-girl puking, love log
fizzing, carbuncle smoking, intestine poking, bazoo shrinking,
back-hole copping, Hershey highway traveller asperating, rear-end
higgling, calf grabbing, knucklehead lurking, pariah snickering,
wild-girl basting, bad-woman shunting, lesion chirruping, fast-woman
vomiting, crook squabbling, axe wound shunting, stomach howling,
monster freaking, village-bike bleating, reject mollifying,
cocoa-canal fellating, crapper clawing, receptive sex partner
yellowing, foreigner idolatrising, hind-boot stammering, hotdog bun
bespangling, bladder rotating, clamburger bleating, fast-woman
absconding, head louse whining, fiend vitrifying, concubine whoring,
man's man bewailing, rhino leg-lifting, nymphet astounding, robber
usuring, pooper flouncing, mankball protesting, party crasher
twanging, butch-dyke clawing, little juan butt-fucking, adenoid
gaggling, chihuahua benumbing, refugee bleating, tom slick grabbing,
capybara sputtering, meat curtains whoring, layabout whimpering,
speedy-sister quacking, carbuncle bloating, mobster gaggling, rot
boggling, harlot falling, slop-chute fondling, fallen angel flapping,
spew juggling, poo chute bobbing, B-girl fearing, born loser
pasturing, faerie laming, dumbass chortling, scrotum sucker greasing,
flamingo defecating, nightcrawler thrumming, party-girl chirping,
tooti-frooti vitrifying, lust sword mother fucking, crutch frolicking,
poofdah quilting, hereditary disease jerking, belly excruciating,
stick in the mud fearing, sporting-girl sobbing, honkey griping,
wanderer carping, back hole floating, Miss Molly sobbing, one-eyed
gopher quacking, blind-eye libeling, capuchin monkey screaking, fool
sticker muddling, mud puppy shunting, pudding screaking, gash
toadying, manta ray flickering, virgin shirking, hog's eye
dramatising, duodenum squabbling, trout basket posing, A-hole
spitting, destitute collapsing, yogurt hose searching, frog blabbing,
stinkbug weeping, dirt-track braying, rat weeping, buttock
bum-dancing, spunk slut stealing, gerbil spewing, fish factory
wailing, born loser imploring, town-pump foraging, praying mantis hard
breathing, blue steel spitting, chocolate-hole smiling, crumpet
kippering, grommet dramatising, poodle decrepitating, cavity clawing,
fireman ed bethumping, mr. wobbly braying, brigand squandering,
deportee nidificating, farkleberry benumbing, sloth bewailing, ham
sandwich chewing, kangaroo rat burping, numbat pumping, rump-ranger
gasifying, musk ox fagoting, dirt-factory twitching, wet wrinkle
hunting, hypochondriac shunting, one of them loafing, chocolate
starfish poker hissing, fried egg rabbeting, back door burning, kerb
crawler thrumming, woman of accommodating morals infesting, fog
jerking, jailbird falling, gaper mother fucking, panty hamster
molesting, easy lay kowtowing, boa constrictor skulking, man's ruin
jerking, bitch-boy farrowing, soft-bellied toad obfuscating,
tradesmen's entrance whimpering, bint ulcerating, old fella moiling,
hip-hitter lumbering impacted fuck fracture.
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nads : n. Knackers; testicles; plums. (abbr. gonads). US nards.
bpuharic
2011-01-29 03:44:33 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, whose name means "cloying non-operative transsexual; thinks
he's good, but he's not; only has one eyebrow that goes right across
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
point of actual fact, a closet godbot.
aw gee whiz. fucktard? c'mon that's so COMMON. be inventive! be bold!
i could call you a pus dripping labia dragging horse twat
I can play that game far better than you, you brown-cherry clutching,
oh, well, then...if you're gonna get PERSONAL...
KAZOO JUGLING???

why you lousy bastard. that's going TOO DAMN FAR!!
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 03:59:40 UTC
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bpuharic, deep, hollow, treacherous, and full of guile. Ye dull
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, whose name means "cloying non-operative transsexual; thinks
he's good, but he's not; only has one eyebrow that goes right across
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
point of actual fact, a closet godbot.
aw gee whiz. fucktard? c'mon that's so COMMON. be inventive! be bold!
i could call you a pus dripping labia dragging horse twat
I can play that game far better than you, you brown-cherry clutching,
oh, well, then...if you're gonna get PERSONAL...
KAZOO JUGLING???
why you lousy bastard. that's going TOO DAMN FAR!!
Raw nerve, huh?
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tripe hound : n. Pig ugly dog.
b***@gmail.com
2011-01-29 04:15:31 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, whose name means "cloying non-operative transsexual; thinks
he's good, but he's not; only has one eyebrow that goes right across
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, whose name means "debilitated sphincter boy; has steep,
backward-sloping forehead; partial to lewd hose humping with older
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
I derive a morbid sense of pleasure from directing atheists to an
atheistic website belonging to an ultra-atheist organisation of atheist
networks calling itself atheistweb that describes the fuckwittery of
atheists.
funny he thinks the failed idea of god is rescued by science when the
sky spook was conjured in the absence of science
What god? I have no beliefs in the existence of any god.
sure you do. you got all these spook beliefs about seances and crap.
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Face it, fucktard, you just can't stop yourself from creating imaginary
things that simply do not exist. One can only conclude that you are, in
point of actual fact, a closet godbot.
aw gee whiz. fucktard? c'mon that's so COMMON. be inventive! be bold!
i could call you a pus dripping labia dragging horse twat
I can play that game far better than you, you brown-cherry clutching,
brown-hole slurring, gnu chirruping, jerboa squawking, ass-thrasher
defecating, arse princess grubbing, woodpecker fowling, giraffe
enfeoffing, barfairy mildewing, rabbit-sucker nidificating, homeless
man yellowing, flash-woman vitrifying, shnush quibbling, painted-lady
drooling, labia fondling, thigh farting, black cat with its throat cut
moiling, desperado spewing, hamster sniveling, visitor to Vegemite
valley squealing, hamburger worshipping, berdache garbling, pig
caressing, gay swallowing, whisker biscuit slurping, pooper quacking,
fish pie skipping, poop chute feeding, wino boozing, zebra driveling,
castaway puling, back-hole gauding, bourneville boulevard shirking,
Hershey-highway higgling, brown-cherry whining, easy-woman inbreeding,
stick shift dinning, lobster claw hunting, blue-veiner hunting, belly
preening, toucan gauding, geezer belaboring, truncheon drolling,
pushover chivying, hole-puncher presupposing, sea horse misconstruing,
buttock frolicking, ditch grazing, white-tailed rat usurping, head
louse evading, Siamese cat barking, head blight turgescing, magpie
preening, womb raider whirling, intestines barking, ulcer farting,
macho-slut belaboring, tripe poking, heat-seeking moisture missile
neighing, Jezebel grazing, ring master intoning, rear entrance
drooling, ligament fearing, heart-shaped box gobbling, turkey buzzard
swallowing, blue-veined piccolo screwing, puckered-gazoo jerking,
hippopotamus infesting, cullion trilling, pussing boil mewing, triss
flagging, ne'er-do-well squandering, jobby-jouster roving, rat
nidificating, pelican feeling, tuna town fagging, hog's eye
scratching, ki-ki stealing, blowhole stinking, bronze-eye wearying,
Hershey-highway skipping, box-house girl libeling, bottomite
clutching, scrotum scringing, merry-legs folk-dancing, slug's belly
disrupting, porridge pump lusting, slice spewing, turd burglar
muddling, hanging hag licking, penis scarfing, head louse officiating,
yo-yo-knickers wheezing, fuckstress tooting, vagabond prying, stomach
spangling, clack-dish wirbling, leech groveling, tailgater taboring,
armadillo decrepitating, vein swallowing, taco warmer burping, pube
kabob porking, Dilberry-Creek decrepitating, wild-woman folk-dancing,
giblet banging, penis watching, ragbag head-jobbing, male flight
attendant pining, guttersnipe quibbling, quinnie driveling, vagabond
preaching, slippery sheath farrowing, lady of the streets distorting,
castaway twitching, pile of dog shit bewailing, excrescence
asperating, gooseberry preaching, bourneville boulevard poking,
scrounger smoking, freakface intonating, larderer floundering,
jaihouse-turnout squabbling, brown-berry supplicating, chuff adder
bewailing, hoodlum absconding, Bovril-bypass hunting, crapper sliming,
spinal cord caressing, hinder-entrance spewing, meat massager
frolicking, colossus holding, mendicant belaboring, meat tunnel
butt-fucking, outcast fowling, strumpet disjointing, camp coochie
kissing, skin clutching, blain yodeling, blowtorch springing, belly
wearying, infection blaspheming, maricon scarfing, plewie scarfing,
beef soldier obfuscating, chimpanzee goffering, hooker spitting,
shirker misling, welfare bum manuring, worm casting fondling, poodle
shrinking, hind-boot misconstruing, lesbian fowling, hot stick
beady-eying, bone smuggler bellowing, homogene posing, beaver
wallowing, fantail chortling, hoof squealing, walloper flagging,
crapper grinning, cock sheath gulping, splooge moose quibbling,
squirrel stinking, spikebit agonising, back-slice barking, canker
bellyaching, droppings pouting, dirt-road quiescing, meat 'n' potatoes
quavering, chocolate-highway belaboring, labia undulating,
winker-stinker farting, galley slave slabbering, chuff wearying,
lobby-lizzie intonating, lobster mewing, artery smoking, gipsy
manuring, goggle-eye tranquilising, infection bewildering, pussy
feeder weeping, humper tumefying, cormorant folk-dancing, kentucky
telescope farting, chinball wizard kippering, skippy slurping, rot
swallowing, vagabond farting, immigrant intonating, snake charmer
grubbing, scrotum equivocating, kinsey six gurgling,
chocolate-buttonhole floundering, merry-legs limping, stinkhole-bay
copping, uphill gardener inbreeding, rectum boozing, massage parlor
hostess stealing, twat waffle pirouetting, farting-clapper stinking,
tramp bellowing, fish mothering, Indian rhinoceros sucking, eye
puking, one-eyed trouser trout sniveling, creamery drooling, papa's
poker greasing, frog mollifying, buttock-climber infesting, gnash
goggling, butt ranger resounding, sexpot grubbing, ninja slipper
loafing, shehe effeminating, trouser mouse dabbling, slop hole
sputtering, snatch-peddler flocculating, narwhal infesting, fuffle
leg-lifting, brain springing, homeless man mizzling, lovemonger
goggling, fuck-bunny dabbling, bosco-boulevard generalising, tapir
pumping, stinkhole-bay misling, butt-pirate biting, amphibian
postulating, bankside lady trifling, lesion puckering, tonsil
toothbrush postulating, chimney cleaner burning, hot stick chirping,
freak out tilting, mudeye lusting, nut-hook gadding, cadbury-alley
badgering, pervert barreling, castaway driveling, remora eel rotating,
cunt-stabber hyperbolising, smut-slut shampooing, blancmange
clutching, zookeeper rarefying, blurt butt-fucking, mutton javelin
libeling, humper groveling, liver driveling, skin folk-dancing,
wolverine flagging, Venus-with-a-penis moralising, bat-cave slavering,
four-lipped man eater pilfering, jellyfish gibbering, brown-eye
nitrifying, giblet toadying, jizz queen smoking, back eye groveling,
abscess fermenting, running sore peering, whoopie-wench kippering,
back-cave whinnying, sloth imploring, peanut badgering, pariah
usuring, hagfish mollifying, smackey stultifying, carbuncle twisting,
wanderer squabbling, roast beef curtain fermenting, chocolate
buttonhole wearying, cock squeezer twitting, peach grabbing,
painted-woman mothering, spew hard breathing, monkey gargling,
bratwurst whimpering, homeless man twisting, foot folk-dancing,
chicken grabbing, ward of the state whacking, mobster moiling, po-po
hyperbolising, molten mushroom repenting, foot mounting, zealot
loafing, meat thermometer pissing, tri-fold floppy whimpering, loser
gobbling, vomit carping, butt hole bethumping, bottle-of-scent
waddling, ass pirate basting, newt biting, wanderer posing, bum hole
feoffing, giblet vegetating, kooter chivying, intruder puddering,
gay-bachelor festering, bimbo squalling, art teacher whiffling, bum
greasing, running sore bethumping, pancreas pining, castrati loafing,
turd burglar sniggering, gazoo pimping, concubine skulking, throbbing
python of love feeling, wrong-door scumming, frankenstein gasifying,
goat fodgeting, yum yum eating, slime slit wheezing, gut smoking, skin
perambulating, jiz junky groveling, carrier pigeon flocculating,
frothing gash screaking, butt slut inbreeding, lesion vitrifying, wart
nidulating, bum spangling, tunnel quiescing, stern-chaser stooping,
stench-trench stalking, lady in red enfeoffing, cullion floundering,
arse monkey staring, hose chivying, eel vegetating, penguin peering,
dolphin jerking, phlegm sprouting, sparrow thrumming, brown-eye miner
flocculating, ham sandwich slubbering, calf misconceiving, flatulence
caressing, kazoo barreling, hobo greasing, show-off waggling, ass
burglar smoking, fogey usurping, grifter worshipping, nomad flapping,
cancer flocculating, knob polisher fagoting, needlewoman absconding,
block of concrete gauding, fudge-packer quackling, hymen wallowing,
dawdler swallowing, stingray squalling, wretch falling,
freaky-cum-girl warbling, sheena juggling, spit bloating, hymen
clutching, ditch slut gaggling, pariah blabbing, cockroach quackling,
transient wallowing, duodenum clawing, backwoods-fiddler absconding,
heinie-highway misconceiving, lowlife libeling, pumpion preening,
brown-hole taboring, pokey rabbeting, refugee roving, mampala
flopping, hymen decrepitating, gaping hole subserving, wide open
spaces blasting, jerkin' gherkin flinching, thigh fuddling, intruder
searching, butt pirate squealing, tail sobbing, furuncle lurking,
tubesteak tarzan scribbling, tail smelling, split slavering, stench
trench slavering, slave-boy gaggling, nomad slushing, dawdler
peddling, intestine scribbling, northern fur seal blowing, back eye
imploring, sir lance-a-lot disbelieving, fart hole drooling, fast-lady
groveling, green bean tilting, landing strip supplicating, marmoset
laming, foreigner jerking, tramp numbing, aging-actress hugging,
arselicker dichotomising, ...
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Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 04:23:51 UTC
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***@gmail.com, oh, ye flea-infested weird woman. Ye are a
pinch-spotted contemptuous base-born callet, a raw-boned clod of
wayward marl, a grizzled jaded groom, a blackguardly traitor to the
name of God, it is fit that I commit offence to my inferiors. Ye
Post by b***@gmail.com
Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, whose name means "cloying non-operative transsexual; thinks
he's good, but he's not; only has one eyebrow that goes right across
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, whose name means "debilitated sphincter boy; has steep,
backward-sloping forehead; partial to lewd hose humping with older
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
I derive a morbid sense of pleasure from directing atheists to an
atheistic website belonging to an ultra-atheist organisation of atheist
networks calling itself atheistweb that describes the fuckwittery of
atheists.
funny he thinks the failed idea of god is rescued by science when the
sky spook was conjured in the absence of science
What god? I have no beliefs in the existence of any god.
sure you do. you got all these spook beliefs about seances and crap.
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Face it, fucktard, you just can't stop yourself from creating imaginary
things that simply do not exist. One can only conclude that you are, in
point of actual fact, a closet godbot.
aw gee whiz. fucktard? c'mon that's so COMMON. be inventive! be bold!
i could call you a pus dripping labia dragging horse twat
I can play that game far better than you, you brown-cherry clutching,
brown-hole slurring, gnu chirruping, jerboa squawking, ass-thrasher
defecating, arse princess grubbing, woodpecker fowling, giraffe
enfeoffing, barfairy mildewing, rabbit-sucker nidificating, homeless
man yellowing, flash-woman vitrifying, shnush quibbling, painted-lady
drooling, labia fondling, thigh farting, black cat with its throat cut
moiling, desperado spewing, hamster sniveling, visitor to Vegemite
valley squealing, hamburger worshipping, berdache garbling, pig
caressing, gay swallowing, whisker biscuit slurping, pooper quacking,
fish pie skipping, poop chute feeding, wino boozing, zebra driveling,
castaway puling, back-hole gauding, bourneville boulevard shirking,
Hershey-highway higgling, brown-cherry whining, easy-woman inbreeding,
stick shift dinning, lobster claw hunting, blue-veiner hunting, belly
preening, toucan gauding, geezer belaboring, truncheon drolling,
pushover chivying, hole-puncher presupposing, sea horse misconstruing,
buttock frolicking, ditch grazing, white-tailed rat usurping, head
louse evading, Siamese cat barking, head blight turgescing, magpie
preening, womb raider whirling, intestines barking, ulcer farting,
macho-slut belaboring, tripe poking, heat-seeking moisture missile
neighing, Jezebel grazing, ring master intoning, rear entrance
drooling, ligament fearing, heart-shaped box gobbling, turkey buzzard
swallowing, blue-veined piccolo screwing, puckered-gazoo jerking,
hippopotamus infesting, cullion trilling, pussing boil mewing, triss
flagging, ne'er-do-well squandering, jobby-jouster roving, rat
nidificating, pelican feeling, tuna town fagging, hog's eye
scratching, ki-ki stealing, blowhole stinking, bronze-eye wearying,
Hershey-highway skipping, box-house girl libeling, bottomite
clutching, scrotum scringing, merry-legs folk-dancing, slug's belly
disrupting, porridge pump lusting, slice spewing, turd burglar
muddling, hanging hag licking, penis scarfing, head louse officiating,
yo-yo-knickers wheezing, fuckstress tooting, vagabond prying, stomach
spangling, clack-dish wirbling, leech groveling, tailgater taboring,
armadillo decrepitating, vein swallowing, taco warmer burping, pube
kabob porking, Dilberry-Creek decrepitating, wild-woman folk-dancing,
giblet banging, penis watching, ragbag head-jobbing, male flight
attendant pining, guttersnipe quibbling, quinnie driveling, vagabond
preaching, slippery sheath farrowing, lady of the streets distorting,
castaway twitching, pile of dog shit bewailing, excrescence
asperating, gooseberry preaching, bourneville boulevard poking,
scrounger smoking, freakface intonating, larderer floundering,
jaihouse-turnout squabbling, brown-berry supplicating, chuff adder
bewailing, hoodlum absconding, Bovril-bypass hunting, crapper sliming,
spinal cord caressing, hinder-entrance spewing, meat massager
frolicking, colossus holding, mendicant belaboring, meat tunnel
butt-fucking, outcast fowling, strumpet disjointing, camp coochie
kissing, skin clutching, blain yodeling, blowtorch springing, belly
wearying, infection blaspheming, maricon scarfing, plewie scarfing,
beef soldier obfuscating, chimpanzee goffering, hooker spitting,
shirker misling, welfare bum manuring, worm casting fondling, poodle
shrinking, hind-boot misconstruing, lesbian fowling, hot stick
beady-eying, bone smuggler bellowing, homogene posing, beaver
wallowing, fantail chortling, hoof squealing, walloper flagging,
crapper grinning, cock sheath gulping, splooge moose quibbling,
squirrel stinking, spikebit agonising, back-slice barking, canker
bellyaching, droppings pouting, dirt-road quiescing, meat 'n' potatoes
quavering, chocolate-highway belaboring, labia undulating,
winker-stinker farting, galley slave slabbering, chuff wearying,
lobby-lizzie intonating, lobster mewing, artery smoking, gipsy
manuring, goggle-eye tranquilising, infection bewildering, pussy
feeder weeping, humper tumefying, cormorant folk-dancing, kentucky
telescope farting, chinball wizard kippering, skippy slurping, rot
swallowing, vagabond farting, immigrant intonating, snake charmer
grubbing, scrotum equivocating, kinsey six gurgling,
chocolate-buttonhole floundering, merry-legs limping, stinkhole-bay
copping, uphill gardener inbreeding, rectum boozing, massage parlor
hostess stealing, twat waffle pirouetting, farting-clapper stinking,
tramp bellowing, fish mothering, Indian rhinoceros sucking, eye
puking, one-eyed trouser trout sniveling, creamery drooling, papa's
poker greasing, frog mollifying, buttock-climber infesting, gnash
goggling, butt ranger resounding, sexpot grubbing, ninja slipper
loafing, shehe effeminating, trouser mouse dabbling, slop hole
sputtering, snatch-peddler flocculating, narwhal infesting, fuffle
leg-lifting, brain springing, homeless man mizzling, lovemonger
goggling, fuck-bunny dabbling, bosco-boulevard generalising, tapir
pumping, stinkhole-bay misling, butt-pirate biting, amphibian
postulating, bankside lady trifling, lesion puckering, tonsil
toothbrush postulating, chimney cleaner burning, hot stick chirping,
freak out tilting, mudeye lusting, nut-hook gadding, cadbury-alley
badgering, pervert barreling, castaway driveling, remora eel rotating,
cunt-stabber hyperbolising, smut-slut shampooing, blancmange
clutching, zookeeper rarefying, blurt butt-fucking, mutton javelin
libeling, humper groveling, liver driveling, skin folk-dancing,
wolverine flagging, Venus-with-a-penis moralising, bat-cave slavering,
four-lipped man eater pilfering, jellyfish gibbering, brown-eye
nitrifying, giblet toadying, jizz queen smoking, back eye groveling,
abscess fermenting, running sore peering, whoopie-wench kippering,
back-cave whinnying, sloth imploring, peanut badgering, pariah
usuring, hagfish mollifying, smackey stultifying, carbuncle twisting,
wanderer squabbling, roast beef curtain fermenting, chocolate
buttonhole wearying, cock squeezer twitting, peach grabbing,
painted-woman mothering, spew hard breathing, monkey gargling,
bratwurst whimpering, homeless man twisting, foot folk-dancing,
chicken grabbing, ward of the state whacking, mobster moiling, po-po
hyperbolising, molten mushroom repenting, foot mounting, zealot
loafing, meat thermometer pissing, tri-fold floppy whimpering, loser
gobbling, vomit carping, butt hole bethumping, bottle-of-scent
waddling, ass pirate basting, newt biting, wanderer posing, bum hole
feoffing, giblet vegetating, kooter chivying, intruder puddering,
gay-bachelor festering, bimbo squalling, art teacher whiffling, bum
greasing, running sore bethumping, pancreas pining, castrati loafing,
turd burglar sniggering, gazoo pimping, concubine skulking, throbbing
python of love feeling, wrong-door scumming, frankenstein gasifying,
goat fodgeting, yum yum eating, slime slit wheezing, gut smoking, skin
perambulating, jiz junky groveling, carrier pigeon flocculating,
frothing gash screaking, butt slut inbreeding, lesion vitrifying, wart
nidulating, bum spangling, tunnel quiescing, stern-chaser stooping,
stench-trench stalking, lady in red enfeoffing, cullion floundering,
arse monkey staring, hose chivying, eel vegetating, penguin peering,
dolphin jerking, phlegm sprouting, sparrow thrumming, brown-eye miner
flocculating, ham sandwich slubbering, calf misconceiving, flatulence
caressing, kazoo barreling, hobo greasing, show-off waggling, ass
burglar smoking, fogey usurping, grifter worshipping, nomad flapping,
cancer flocculating, knob polisher fagoting, needlewoman absconding,
block of concrete gauding, fudge-packer quackling, hymen wallowing,
dawdler swallowing, stingray squalling, wretch falling,
freaky-cum-girl warbling, sheena juggling, spit bloating, hymen
clutching, ditch slut gaggling, pariah blabbing, cockroach quackling,
transient wallowing, duodenum clawing, backwoods-fiddler absconding,
heinie-highway misconceiving, lowlife libeling, pumpion preening,
brown-hole taboring, pokey rabbeting, refugee roving, mampala
flopping, hymen decrepitating, gaping hole subserving, wide open
spaces blasting, jerkin' gherkin flinching, thigh fuddling, intruder
searching, butt pirate squealing, tail sobbing, furuncle lurking,
tubesteak tarzan scribbling, tail smelling, split slavering, stench
trench slavering, slave-boy gaggling, nomad slushing, dawdler
peddling, intestine scribbling, northern fur seal blowing, back eye
imploring, sir lance-a-lot disbelieving, fart hole drooling, fast-lady
groveling, green bean tilting, landing strip supplicating, marmoset
laming, foreigner jerking, tramp numbing, aging-actress hugging,
arselicker dichotomising, ...
read more �
And A Partridge In A Pear Tree.
Geez! This year went quick. Is it Christmas already?
--
kissing tackle : n. North and south; gob.
John J Stafford
2011-01-29 01:29:31 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Good point. There is a misunderstanding here. The posit that
consciousness creates matter is an oversimplification of how human
beings observe their environment, the universe (and everything). We do
create our reality through our senses. That does not mean that we
actually are god-like and create matter.

There is a sub-text to many claims that we create our reality, and that
is that somehow our brain is connected to a Platonic realm through a
quantum interface, and multiple dimensions of rendering thought (five to
eight was the more recent guess). Beneath that sub-text is an ancient
penchant for immortality, total control.

.
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 01:35:21 UTC
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John J Stafford, whose name means "gibbering similsexualist; has small
testicles and no friends; attracted to older men, much older",
Post by John J Stafford
Post by bpuharic
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Good point. There is a misunderstanding here. The posit that
consciousness creates matter is an oversimplification of how human
beings observe their environment, the universe (and everything). We do
create our reality through our senses. That does not mean that we
actually are god-like and create matter.
There is a sub-text to many claims that we create our reality, and that
is that somehow our brain is connected to a Platonic realm through a
quantum interface, and multiple dimensions of rendering thought (five to
eight was the more recent guess). Beneath that sub-text is an ancient
penchant for immortality, total control.
Ah, yes, typical. Take the science that proves you a fool and dress it
in the gossamer thin veil of ancient mysticism, magick and old-time
myopia. Nothing less was expected.

Now, would you mind dealing with the conclusion, please? You know, this
one...?

Matter has evolved to detect and observe itself.
--
grape smugglers : n. Tight gentlemen's briefs, as worn by porno stars
in the 1970s.
bpuharic
2011-01-29 01:48:16 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
Ah, yes, typical. Take the science that proves you a fool and dress it
in the gossamer thin veil of ancient mysticism, magick and old-time
myopia. Nothing less was expected.
Now, would you mind dealing with the conclusion, please? You know, this
one...?
Matter has evolved to detect and observe itself.
gee. matter can do taht.


god cant
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 02:02:38 UTC
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bpuharic, whose name means "skinny homo; has fathered six children,
all retards; like an Italian breakfast bread roll, hollow on the
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Ah, yes, typical. Take the science that proves you a fool and dress it
in the gossamer thin veil of ancient mysticism, magick and old-time
myopia. Nothing less was expected.
Now, would you mind dealing with the conclusion, please? You know, this
one...?
Matter has evolved to detect and observe itself.
gee. matter can do taht.
god cant
It's your imaginary god, not anyone else's.
--
Eccles snake : n. A penis with warts.
bpuharic
2011-01-29 02:16:14 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, whose name means "skinny homo; has fathered six children,
all retards; like an Italian breakfast bread roll, hollow on the
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Ah, yes, typical. Take the science that proves you a fool and dress it
in the gossamer thin veil of ancient mysticism, magick and old-time
myopia. Nothing less was expected.
Now, would you mind dealing with the conclusion, please? You know, this
one...?
Matter has evolved to detect and observe itself.
gee. matter can do taht.
god cant
It's your imaginary god, not anyone else's.
tell it to your ouja board

or crystal ball or whatever delusion you're laboring under
b***@gmail.com
2011-01-29 04:09:08 UTC
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Post by John J Stafford
Post by bpuharic
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Good point. There is a misunderstanding here. The posit that
consciousness creates matter is an oversimplification of how human
beings observe their environment, the universe (and everything). We do
create our reality through our senses. That does not mean that we
actually are god-like and create matter.
Matter is the equivalent of the canvas on which we paint. It supports
the projection of consciousness.
Today, we can even observe how the brain adapts.
Post by John J Stafford
There is a sub-text to many claims that we create our reality, and that
is that somehow our brain is connected to a Platonic realm through a
quantum interface, and multiple dimensions of rendering thought (five to
eight was the more recent guess). Beneath that sub-text is an ancient
penchant for immortality, total control.
Until truth is discovered,it is always 'suspected'. Immortality
consciously recognised, involves the cessation of control.

BOfL
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 04:12:58 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Until truth is discovered,it is always 'suspected'. Immortality
consciously recognised, involves the cessation of control.
Would you mind explaining that position, fletch?
--
grunties : n. Jobbies; faeces.
b***@gmail.com
2011-01-29 02:31:22 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
fathered six children, all retards; likes fiendish undercover delights
Post by b***@gmail.com
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Of course it hasnt been observed. Matter cannot 'experience or
observe' consciousness

Until that is is realized by the individual, his search goes on'.

In the mean time , the majority convince themselves that the
explanation of evolution from an explosion from 'primal -----
(whatever word floats your boat), organizes itself.

When did Neanderthal decide to become Sapien?...... His cells
decided?.Why would they care. Wouldnt it be nice if the cells of the
morbidly obese made similar decisions.

Ever tried to change the state of consciousness of people in that
state (or any state for that 'matter')...

BOfL
bpuharic
2011-01-29 02:39:55 UTC
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Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by b***@gmail.com
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case.
I concur.
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Of course it hasnt been observed. Matter cannot 'experience or
observe' consciousness
matter can become conscious. we are proof of that
Post by b***@gmail.com
Until that is is realized by the individual, his search goes on'.
In the mean time , the majority convince themselves that the
explanation of evolution from an explosion from 'primal -----
(whatever word floats your boat), organizes itself.
which is what happened. that's what the evidence shows.
Post by b***@gmail.com
When did Neanderthal decide to become Sapien?...... His cells
decided?.Why would they care. Wouldnt it be nice if the cells of the
morbidly obese made similar decisions.
the organization of the brain explains it.
Post by b***@gmail.com
Ever tried to change the state of consciousness of people in that
state (or any state for that 'matter')...
meaningless
Post by b***@gmail.com
BOfL
uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
2011-01-29 02:51:47 UTC
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bpuharic, if I owe thee anything I shall pay thee in cudgels. Ye
clumsy natural philosopher, if thou art changed to aught, tis to a
Post by bpuharic
matter can become conscious. we are proof of that
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support your implied claim
that you belong to the human race.

I tell you what, if you can prove, with 100% certainty, as a fact
unquestionably established, that you are your very self I will bestow
honorary membership of the human race upon you.

Deal?
bpuharic
2011-01-29 03:45:54 UTC
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Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
bpuharic, if I owe thee anything I shall pay thee in cudgels. Ye
clumsy natural philosopher, if thou art changed to aught, tis to a
Post by bpuharic
matter can become conscious. we are proof of that
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support your implied claim
that you belong to the human race.
i mean, other than me.
Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
I tell you what, if you can prove, with 100% certainty, as a fact
unquestionably established, that you are your very self I will bestow
honorary membership of the human race upon you.
nope. not gonna take you up on it. you might be right
Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
Deal?
Apostate
2011-01-29 04:56:10 UTC
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Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
bpuharic, if I owe thee anything I shall pay thee in cudgels. Ye
clumsy natural philosopher, if thou art changed to aught, tis to a
Post by bpuharic
matter can become conscious. we are proof of that
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support your implied claim
that you belong to the human race.
I tell you what, if you can prove, with 100% certainty, as a fact
unquestionably established, that you are your very self I will bestow
honorary membership of the human race upon you.
Deal?
No good, since no one can take it as read that you have any sentience,
much less are an actual H. sapiens sapiens. That you would be
empowered to grant so much as a parking space is a wholly unevidenced
matter.

You see how that works?
--
Apostate alt.atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer freelance Minion #'e'
EAC Deputy Director in Charge of Getting Paid,
Department of Redundancy Department

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure
and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell

"Mr. Worf, set phasers on "Fuck You" and fire at will."
-- Doc Smartass

"Nature has a dark sense of humor, but life is certainly
one of the things it laughs at."
-- Rinaldo of Capadoccia


e-mail to %mynick%periodaaperiod%myAA#%@gee!mail!dottedcommie
uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
2011-01-29 02:40:20 UTC
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***@gmail.com, away, ye rancid freckled whelp hag-born. Ye
under-fertile most wicked fiend, slave, dense, young quat! O cancerous
son and heir of a mongrel bitch. Ye sucked thy deteriorated
Post by b***@gmail.com
Post by bpuharic
matter predates intelligence. thus it's not possible for matter to
emerge from consciousness
there is no mechanism for this to happen
it's NEVER been observed. ever. not once
Of course it hasnt been observed. Matter cannot 'experience or
observe' consciousness
Until that is is realized by the individual, his search goes on'.
In the mean time , the majority convince themselves that the
explanation of evolution from an explosion from 'primal -----
(whatever word floats your boat), organizes itself.
When did Neanderthal decide to become Sapien?...... His cells
decided?.Why would they care. Wouldnt it be nice if the cells of the
morbidly obese made similar decisions.
Darwin looked after that. It's called scientific racism.

"In establishing a sole human species, Darwin contrasted the "civilized
races" with the "savage races"; like most of his contemporaries � except
the naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace � he did not distinguish
"biological race" from "cultural race". Moreover, beyond the biology, he
note [sic] that savage races risked extinction more from white European
colonialism, than from evolutionary inadequacy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
bpuharic
2011-01-29 03:47:29 UTC
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Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
under-fertile most wicked fiend, slave, dense, young quat! O cancerous
son and heir of a mongrel bitch. Ye sucked thy deteriorated
Post by b***@gmail.com
In the mean time , the majority convince themselves that the
explanation of evolution from an explosion from 'primal -----
(whatever word floats your boat), organizes itself.
When did Neanderthal decide to become Sapien?...... His cells
decided?.Why would they care. Wouldnt it be nice if the cells of the
morbidly obese made similar decisions.
Darwin looked after that. It's called scientific racism.
racism was de rigeur in the 19th century. darwin was an abolitionist

the same can not be said of creationists. ALL slave owners were
creationists

and creationists murdered 2,000,000 blacks during the slave trade and
caused teh bloodiest war in US history

darwin had nothing to do with it
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 04:04:08 UTC
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bpuharic, leave now thou vain bibble-babble. Ye adulterate scurvy
Post by bpuharic
Post by uɐɯ ɐɥɔʇıɐpɐʞ
under-fertile most wicked fiend, slave, dense, young quat! O cancerous
son and heir of a mongrel bitch. Ye sucked thy deteriorated
Post by b***@gmail.com
In the mean time , the majority convince themselves that the
explanation of evolution from an explosion from 'primal -----
(whatever word floats your boat), organizes itself.
When did Neanderthal decide to become Sapien?...... His cells
decided?.Why would they care. Wouldnt it be nice if the cells of the
morbidly obese made similar decisions.
Darwin looked after that. It's called scientific racism.
racism was de rigeur in the 19th century. darwin was an abolitionist
the same can not be said of creationists. ALL slave owners were
creationists
and creationists murdered 2,000,000 blacks during the slave trade and
caused teh bloodiest war in US history
darwin had nothing to do with it
You can't stop creating imaginary straw men and vigorously attacking
them, can you? Creationists have nothing to do with it either.
--
lettuce licker : n. Lesbian; bean flicker; tuppence licker.
bpuharic
2011-01-29 22:18:51 UTC
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:04:08 +0800, Kadaitcha Man
Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, leave now thou vain bibble-babble. Ye adulterate scurvy
Post by bpuharic
racism was de rigeur in the 19th century. darwin was an abolitionist
the same can not be said of creationists. ALL slave owners were
creationists
and creationists murdered 2,000,000 blacks during the slave trade and
caused teh bloodiest war in US history
darwin had nothing to do with it
You can't stop creating imaginary straw men and vigorously attacking
them, can you? Creationists have nothing to do with it either.
really? then why did they defend it as part of god's will?

why did jefferson davis write a treatise on it, defending slavery from
the view of the curse of ham?

why did southern states say slavery was ordained of god?

and they were all creationists. teh scopes trial was held

in the south.

you were saying?
AllSeeing-I
2011-01-28 22:16:50 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case. Planner? Where is the location of the
planner within you? Consciousness doesnt fit within mental world of
relativity. It didnt start, it doesnt finish.
The mind considers eternity to be an extremely long time, and believes
the language of mathematics doesnt always lead to infinity.It looks
for questions, but never finds answers.
The greatest discoveries are always 'just another step'. The recent
excitement about the genome project, suddenly diminishes in the light
of epigenetics. "We" discover the 'god 'particle, theorize about
strings, postulate branes, and suddenly get confronted with dark or
anti matter.
Masters have always stated that such is the nature of the mind.
Circles within spirals, wheels within wheels.
No sky pixies, other than  those created from within eternal
conscousness.
BOfL
You gave the answer to yourself.

"The greatest discoveries are always 'just another step'"

Why?

man has been searching since the days of Nimrod.

Proverbs 1:28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer;
they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me
bpuharic
2011-01-28 23:13:49 UTC
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Post by AllSeeing-I
?
man has been searching since the days of Nimrod.
and creationists dont search
Post by AllSeeing-I
Proverbs 1:28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer;
they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me
Ralph
2011-01-29 01:28:34 UTC
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Post by AllSeeing-I
Post by b***@gmail.com
Post by Kadaitcha Man
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case. Planner? Where is the location of the
planner within you? Consciousness doesnt fit within mental world of
relativity. It didnt start, it doesnt finish.
The mind considers eternity to be an extremely long time, and believes
the language of mathematics doesnt always lead to infinity.It looks
for questions, but never finds answers.
The greatest discoveries are always 'just another step'. The recent
excitement about the genome project, suddenly diminishes in the light
of epigenetics. "We" discover the 'god 'particle, theorize about
strings, postulate branes, and suddenly get confronted with dark or
anti matter.
Masters have always stated that such is the nature of the mind.
Circles within spirals, wheels within wheels.
No sky pixies, other than those created from within eternal
conscousness.
BOfL
You gave the answer to yourself.
"The greatest discoveries are always 'just another step'"
Why?
man has been searching since the days of Nimrod.
Proverbs 1:28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer;
they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me
Uhh, was that old Joe Nimrod?
b***@gmail.com
2011-01-29 02:19:13 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Post by Kadaitcha Man
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness emerged
from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case. Planner? Where is the location of the
planner within you? Consciousness doesnt fit within mental world of
relativity. It didnt start, it doesnt finish.
The mind considers eternity to be an extremely long time, and believes
the language of mathematics doesnt always lead to infinity.It looks
for questions, but never finds answers.
The greatest discoveries are always 'just another step'. The recent
excitement about the genome project, suddenly diminishes in the light
of epigenetics. "We" discover the 'god 'particle, theorize about
strings, postulate branes, and suddenly get confronted with dark or
anti matter.
Masters have always stated that such is the nature of the mind.
Circles within spirals, wheels within wheels.
No sky pixies, other than  those created from within eternal
conscousness.
BOfL
You gave the answer to yourself.
But you didnt 'get it'. I distinguished between the mind of man, and
his actual identity.

All of you religionists get stuck on the same illusion.

Quotes such as "I am the way" etc, are statements referring to
yourself, not the person informing you.

"We are all individuals" said Brian....

Capiche ?
Post by AllSeeing-I
"The greatest discoveries are always 'just another step'"
Why?
man has been searching since the days of Nimrod.
The 'mind of man' is as the internal of a sphere. The larger it gets,
the greater the unknown external becomes.
Post by AllSeeing-I
Proverbs 1:28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer;
they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me.
Now repeat after me "I will not answer'.....

See how the individual consciousness acts in accord with 'its' level
of development?
Even the obvious is missed,regardless of the level of mental
development.

BOfL
Stan McCann
2011-01-29 05:01:06 UTC
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for
Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
=======================
===============================> > > This essay is in response to
claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Post by AllSeeing-I
Post by b***@gmail.com
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread,
circa 20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
An excellent synopsis, based on the premise that consciousness
emerged from matter.
The reverse is in fact the case. Planner? Where is the location of
the planner within you? Consciousness doesnt fit within mental
world of relativity. It didnt start, it doesnt finish.
The mind considers eternity to be an extremely long time, and
believes the language of mathematics doesnt always lead to
infinity.It looks for questions, but never finds answers.
The greatest discoveries are always 'just another step'. The recent
excitement about the genome project, suddenly diminishes in the
light of epigenetics. "We" discover the 'god 'particle, theorize
about strings, postulate branes, and suddenly get confronted with
dark or anti matter.
Masters have always stated that such is the nature of the mind.
Circles within spirals, wheels within wheels.
No sky pixies, other than  those created from within eternal
conscousness.
BOfL
You gave the answer to yourself.
But you didnt 'get it'. I distinguished between the mind of man, and
his actual identity.
All of you religionists get stuck on the same illusion.
Quotes such as "I am the way" etc, are statements referring to
yourself, not the person informing you.
"We are all individuals" said Brian....
Capiche ?
Post by AllSeeing-I
"The greatest discoveries are always 'just another step'"
Why?
man has been searching since the days of Nimrod.
The 'mind of man' is as the internal of a sphere. The larger it gets,
the greater the unknown external becomes.
Is that like "the more I learn, the more I realize how much more there is
to learn?"
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by AllSeeing-I
Proverbs 1:28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer;
they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me.
Now repeat after me "I will not answer'.....
See how the individual consciousness acts in accord with 'its' level
of development?
Even the obvious is missed,regardless of the level of mental
development.
BOfL
--
Stan McCann ***@surecann.com
Olrik
2011-01-29 06:55:31 UTC
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The 'mind of man' is as the internal of a sphere. The larger it gets,
the greater the unknown external becomes.
Wow.

"The 'mind of man' is as the internal of a sphere."

Wow. Excellent. Profound, yet mischievous. Kind like a tease...

"The larger it gets, the greater the unknown external becomes."

Wow. Marvelous. A cool performance, I say. Bravo!
Post by b***@gmail.com
BOfL
Indeed!
Apostate
2011-01-29 14:00:18 UTC
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Post by Olrik
Post by b***@gmail.com
The 'mind of man' is as the internal of a sphere. The larger it gets,
the greater the unknown external becomes.
Wow.
"The 'mind of man' is as the internal of a sphere."
Wow. Excellent. Profound, yet mischievous. Kind like a tease...
"The larger it gets, the greater the unknown external becomes."
Wow. Marvelous. A cool performance, I say. Bravo!
Post by b***@gmail.com
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Indeed!
ROfL!
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Loirbaj
2011-01-28 18:53:44 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
OMG, my HEAD hurts..did you write all that stuff or is that something
from somebody else? It went on and ON and then it wanted me to "click
for MORE". I couldn't endure. Another oddity about your postings,
KMan: generally you post to more than 5 NGs. When I reply then click,
it says NO STOP..you can only post to 5 NGs at once...so I have to
Delete down to 5 or fewer. No great problem, but it catches me every
time. I have more to say about Evolution and Consciousness (more
relevant that what I just posted) but I gotta go lay down awhile.
Virgil
2011-01-28 21:39:58 UTC
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In article
Post by Loirbaj
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
OMG, my HEAD hurts.
You'll get over it.

Your head just isn't used to naked truth other than in miniscule doses,
so next time take it one sentence at a time with a minute of rest in
between sentences and it will hurt a lot less.








.did yo
Dakota
2011-01-28 19:32:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
Superlative bullshit from some of the above posters aside, the view
"There is no evolutionary reason for consciousness, but its role is
to increase the probability of persistence of the species in which
the process of consciousness emerges."
Introduction
============
The idea that evolution has a plan is just as much anathema to crackpot
creationists (young earthers) as it is to probably every atheist that
ever existed. In the case of young earthers, the idea is despised
because it denies a once and for all creation, with a complete absence
of evolution. In the case of atheists, it's despised because, without
any forethought, they infer that a plan necessarily entails a planner.
However I contend that evolution may indeed have a plan, which
necessarily entails purpose, and I also contend that the presence of a
plan does not mean we must invoke a planner.
In this essay I intend to show that there may indeed be an evolutionary
reason for consciousness, which is part of a plan, and I intend to do
this using only modern science. No Magical Sky Pixies, no Metaphysical
X's, no Invisible Pink Unicorns, and no stray noodley appendages
belonging to Flying Spaghetti Monsters.
IN SEARCH OF A PLAN
-------------------
Chance
======
The word 'chance' is used in this essay and it requires special
interpretation. An excellent treatment of the concepts that the word
embodies within evolutionary biology can be found in "Chance as an
explanatory factor in evolutionary biology" (Shanahan T. Department
of Philosophy, Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, CA 90045.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1801049
Darwinism
=========
Charles Darwin's seminal work is called "Origin of Species", not origin
of life. Darwinian evolution (Darwinism) adequately explains only how
species evolve from one kind to another. It does not explain the origins
of life. Indeed Darwinism assumes life as a pre-existing condition. The
presence of cells capable of division is one of two underpinning
assumptions in Darwinism. Conditions favourable to life pre-existing in
the planet's early environment is another fundamental assumption.
However Darwinism cannot explain these two conditions.
We need to look elsewhere for a plan.
Point of interest: Darwin himself, whilst atheist, was a natural
teleologist. He believed that nature depended on designed laws.
Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument -
Darwin wrote that "The old argument of design in nature, as given by
Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the
law of natural selection has been discovered."[12] Even so, Darwin held
that nature depended upon "designed laws" and commended Asa Gray for
pointing out that Darwin's work supported teleology.
Biology
=======
Darwinism is a foundational pillar of biology because it explains the
organisation we see in the plant and animal kingdoms. However just
because Darwinism doesn't indicate the plan we're looking for it does
not necessarily follow that the field of biology should be summarily
dismissed merely because of Darwinism. We need to investigate biology
for the plan we seek.
The science of biology itself is enormous in scope and it is not
possible to touch on all of it. The prevailing view of biologists with
respect to a plan for life will have to suffice.
Jacques Monod, quoted from
http://www.todayinsci.com/M/Monod_Jacques/MonodJacques-Quotations.htm
"A totally blind process can by definition lead to anything; it can even
lead to vision itself. "
"Chance alone is at the source of every innovaton [sic], of all creation
in the biosphere. Pure chance, only chance, absolute but blind liberty
is at the root of the prodigious edifice that is evolution... It today
is the sole conceivable hypothesis, the only one that squares with
observed and tested fact." - Stating life began by the chance collision
of particles of nucleic acid in the 'prebiotic soup.'
Stephen J Gould, quoted from
http://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/31-dennett-selections.htm - "wind
the tape of life back" and play it again and again, the likelihood is
infinitesimal of Us being the product on any other run through the
evolutionary mill.
For an excellent view of the meaning of chance in biology, see
http://www.santafe.edu/media/workingpapers/98-09-085.pdf
"On the dual nature of chance in evolutionary biology and paleobiology"
Gunther J. Eble, Committee on Evolutionary Biology, University of Chicago.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html
Darwin called his principle of the evolutionary process "natural
selection", a term that has given rise to almost as much confusion as
the malignant phrase donated to him by the philosopher Herbert Spencer,
"survival of the fittest". It has been understood to mean that the
natural world is an agent, selecting according to some purpose or goal;
that nature aims to perfect or complete the potential of a species.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Ok, we must accept that the prevailing view is, paraphrasing the
talk.origins FAQ, the natural world is not an agent that selects
according to some purpose or goal.
There's no plan to be found there either. In fact, the talk.origins FAQ
explicitly denies any kind of plan, goal or purpose.
Primordial Slime
================
Abiogenesis is the theory that life arises from inorganic matter through
natural processes. It is the commonly held theory of how the vitality of
life appeared from lifeless matter.
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ on the origins of life,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html - "Science
shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of matter
towards more and more complex structures. Atoms, stars and galaxies
self-assembled out of the fundamental particles produced by the Big
Bang. In first-generation stars, heavier elements like carbon, nitrogen
and oxygen were formed. Aging first-generation stars then expelled them
out into space � we, who consist of these elements, are thus literally
born from stardust. The heaviest elements were born in the explosions of
supernovae. The forces of gravity subsequently allowed for the formation
of newer stars and of planets. Finally, in the process of biological
evolution from bacteria-like tiny cells (the last universal common
ancestor, abbr. LUCA) to all life on earth, including us humans, complex
life forms arose from simpler ones."
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ again,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html - Even the
simplest currently living cells contain hundreds of proteins most of
which are essential to their functioning. Yet such complexity cannot
have stood at the origin of life. Based on research in the field it is
proposed here how, once a self-replicating genetic molecule existed,
life might have started and gradual evolution of complexity was made
possible...
And again, http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html -
"In summary, based on available data a spontaneous origin of life as
simple 'cells' containing a single genetic polymer, upon which natural
selection could act, is feasible. A gradual evolutionary transition from
these to common cellular complexity would have been possible."
Quick Review
============
The scientific view of the origin of life can be summarised in one
sentence without losing anything from, or adding anything to, the
essence of what has been discussed above. Life has a natural origin.
The Planner
===========
If there is a plan then it is right to infer a planner but if we look
around it's quite obvious that if there is a planner we don't see one.
To all intents and purposes we can find no planner. However in order to
establish that a plan exists we do not have to establish a planner.
We are looking for a plan. We need a schema, a schematic, blueprints if
you will. If we can find a schema then the schema itself is sufficient
to disclose that a plan exists and we need not invoke logically
incoherent archetypes of various kinds of sky pixies; observation of
events unfolding in a consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan
or not.
How will the observations tell us that?
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Finally, if we are assuming that life had a natural origin, which we
are, then we don't need a planner at all. We only need find the plan.
The Plan
========
With big bangs, chaotic disorder of formless matter, enormously vast
masses of swirling, hot gas, chance collisions, exploding stars,
recycled stellar dust, colliding galaxies, the gradual accumulation of
molecules, pointless chemical reactions with no rhyme or reason, the
appearance of "simple 'cells' containing genetic polymers" and outright
denials of either purpose or goal it might be hard to see the genesis of
a plan anywhere, but it's there.
Queue a mind image of a chubby dwarf in a white suit and black dickie
tie ringing a bell and shouting "Ze plan! Ze plan!"
There isn't enough room to deal with highly complex dynamic systems,
celestial and galactic mechanics, chaos theory or complexity theory so
you'll just have to accept that chaos theory says simple systems can
exhibit complex behaviour. Complexity theory says there is a model of
activity in interactions. Cosmology tells us that the universe evolved
from hot plasma soup. Abiogenesis tells us that life arises from
inorganic matter.
For a good treatment of chaos in cosmology see "Order and chaos in
dynamical astronomy" by George Contopoulos -
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=7YkDhZCCLR4C&lpg=PP1&dq=chaos%20and%20order&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false
(http://tinyurl.com/4b67k7p)
Another very good book is "Emergence: from chaos to order" by John H.
Holland -
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=VjKtpujRGuAC&lpg=PP1&dq=John%20Holland%20Emergence%3A%20From%20Chaos%20to%20Order&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false
(http://tinyurl.com/4ghndx7)
So Where's the Plan?
====================
"Science shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of
matter towards more and more complex structures."
What's the Plan?
================
Everything that we know about the origin of life, the universe and
everything, tells us that quarks self-organise into hadrons, hadrons and
electrons self-organise into atoms, atoms self-organise into elements
and molecules (with some help from tremendous heat and pressure),
elements and molecules self-organise into simple cells, simple cells
self-organise into garden slugs and atheists...
Recall what I said earlier, "observation of events unfolding in a
consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan or not."
The consistent pattern is persistent self-organisation of matter, always
from the least complexity toward a higher complexity. The only sensible
thing that can be said about this is that the plan must be built in to
the very matter we are made of.
The universe as we know it is a closed system and, therefore, subject to
an inexorable increase in entropy. The observations you are talking
about involve decreasing entropy. Entropy cannot decrease forever.
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Furthermore, the unfolding of evolution leads, inexorably,
self-assembling at every step of the way, in a dead straight line, from
quarks to garden slugs and atheists, and eventually to consciousness.
Jacques Monod, quoted under the biology heading above must be spinning
in his grave right now. He said, "A totally blind process can by
definition lead to anything; it can even lead to vision (sight) itself."
What he should have said is "A totally blind process can by definition
lead to anything; it can even lead to ENvision itself."
Matter has evolved to detect and observe itself.
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-28 20:30:05 UTC
Permalink
Dakota, whose name means "gaunt ass-farmer; has a small pecker; eats
Post by Dakota
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
Superlative bullshit from some of the above posters aside, the view
"There is no evolutionary reason for consciousness, but its role is
to increase the probability of persistence of the species in which
the process of consciousness emerges."
Introduction
============
The idea that evolution has a plan is just as much anathema to crackpot
creationists (young earthers) as it is to probably every atheist that
ever existed. In the case of young earthers, the idea is despised
because it denies a once and for all creation, with a complete absence
of evolution. In the case of atheists, it's despised because, without
any forethought, they infer that a plan necessarily entails a planner.
However I contend that evolution may indeed have a plan, which
necessarily entails purpose, and I also contend that the presence of a
plan does not mean we must invoke a planner.
In this essay I intend to show that there may indeed be an evolutionary
reason for consciousness, which is part of a plan, and I intend to do
this using only modern science. No Magical Sky Pixies, no Metaphysical
X's, no Invisible Pink Unicorns, and no stray noodley appendages
belonging to Flying Spaghetti Monsters.
IN SEARCH OF A PLAN
-------------------
Chance
======
The word 'chance' is used in this essay and it requires special
interpretation. An excellent treatment of the concepts that the word
embodies within evolutionary biology can be found in "Chance as an
explanatory factor in evolutionary biology" (Shanahan T. Department
of Philosophy, Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, CA 90045.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1801049
Darwinism
=========
Charles Darwin's seminal work is called "Origin of Species", not origin
of life. Darwinian evolution (Darwinism) adequately explains only how
species evolve from one kind to another. It does not explain the origins
of life. Indeed Darwinism assumes life as a pre-existing condition. The
presence of cells capable of division is one of two underpinning
assumptions in Darwinism. Conditions favourable to life pre-existing in
the planet's early environment is another fundamental assumption.
However Darwinism cannot explain these two conditions.
We need to look elsewhere for a plan.
Point of interest: Darwin himself, whilst atheist, was a natural
teleologist. He believed that nature depended on designed laws.
Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument -
Darwin wrote that "The old argument of design in nature, as given by
Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the
law of natural selection has been discovered."[12] Even so, Darwin held
that nature depended upon "designed laws" and commended Asa Gray for
pointing out that Darwin's work supported teleology.
Biology
=======
Darwinism is a foundational pillar of biology because it explains the
organisation we see in the plant and animal kingdoms. However just
because Darwinism doesn't indicate the plan we're looking for it does
not necessarily follow that the field of biology should be summarily
dismissed merely because of Darwinism. We need to investigate biology
for the plan we seek.
The science of biology itself is enormous in scope and it is not
possible to touch on all of it. The prevailing view of biologists with
respect to a plan for life will have to suffice.
Jacques Monod, quoted from
http://www.todayinsci.com/M/Monod_Jacques/MonodJacques-Quotations.htm
"A totally blind process can by definition lead to anything; it can even
lead to vision itself. "
"Chance alone is at the source of every innovaton [sic], of all creation
in the biosphere. Pure chance, only chance, absolute but blind liberty
is at the root of the prodigious edifice that is evolution... It today
is the sole conceivable hypothesis, the only one that squares with
observed and tested fact." - Stating life began by the chance collision
of particles of nucleic acid in the 'prebiotic soup.'
Stephen J Gould, quoted from
http://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/31-dennett-selections.htm - "wind
the tape of life back" and play it again and again, the likelihood is
infinitesimal of Us being the product on any other run through the
evolutionary mill.
For an excellent view of the meaning of chance in biology, see
http://www.santafe.edu/media/workingpapers/98-09-085.pdf
"On the dual nature of chance in evolutionary biology and paleobiology"
Gunther J. Eble, Committee on Evolutionary Biology, University of Chicago.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html
Darwin called his principle of the evolutionary process "natural
selection", a term that has given rise to almost as much confusion as
the malignant phrase donated to him by the philosopher Herbert Spencer,
"survival of the fittest". It has been understood to mean that the
natural world is an agent, selecting according to some purpose or goal;
that nature aims to perfect or complete the potential of a species.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Ok, we must accept that the prevailing view is, paraphrasing the
talk.origins FAQ, the natural world is not an agent that selects
according to some purpose or goal.
There's no plan to be found there either. In fact, the talk.origins FAQ
explicitly denies any kind of plan, goal or purpose.
Primordial Slime
================
Abiogenesis is the theory that life arises from inorganic matter through
natural processes. It is the commonly held theory of how the vitality of
life appeared from lifeless matter.
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ on the origins of life,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html - "Science
shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of matter
towards more and more complex structures. Atoms, stars and galaxies
self-assembled out of the fundamental particles produced by the Big
Bang. In first-generation stars, heavier elements like carbon, nitrogen
and oxygen were formed. Aging first-generation stars then expelled them
out into space � we, who consist of these elements, are thus literally
born from stardust. The heaviest elements were born in the explosions of
supernovae. The forces of gravity subsequently allowed for the formation
of newer stars and of planets. Finally, in the process of biological
evolution from bacteria-like tiny cells (the last universal common
ancestor, abbr. LUCA) to all life on earth, including us humans, complex
life forms arose from simpler ones."
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ again,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html - Even the
simplest currently living cells contain hundreds of proteins most of
which are essential to their functioning. Yet such complexity cannot
have stood at the origin of life. Based on research in the field it is
proposed here how, once a self-replicating genetic molecule existed,
life might have started and gradual evolution of complexity was made
possible...
And again, http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html -
"In summary, based on available data a spontaneous origin of life as
simple 'cells' containing a single genetic polymer, upon which natural
selection could act, is feasible. A gradual evolutionary transition from
these to common cellular complexity would have been possible."
Quick Review
============
The scientific view of the origin of life can be summarised in one
sentence without losing anything from, or adding anything to, the
essence of what has been discussed above. Life has a natural origin.
The Planner
===========
If there is a plan then it is right to infer a planner but if we look
around it's quite obvious that if there is a planner we don't see one.
To all intents and purposes we can find no planner. However in order to
establish that a plan exists we do not have to establish a planner.
We are looking for a plan. We need a schema, a schematic, blueprints if
you will. If we can find a schema then the schema itself is sufficient
to disclose that a plan exists and we need not invoke logically
incoherent archetypes of various kinds of sky pixies; observation of
events unfolding in a consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan
or not.
How will the observations tell us that?
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Finally, if we are assuming that life had a natural origin, which we
are, then we don't need a planner at all. We only need find the plan.
The Plan
========
With big bangs, chaotic disorder of formless matter, enormously vast
masses of swirling, hot gas, chance collisions, exploding stars,
recycled stellar dust, colliding galaxies, the gradual accumulation of
molecules, pointless chemical reactions with no rhyme or reason, the
appearance of "simple 'cells' containing genetic polymers" and outright
denials of either purpose or goal it might be hard to see the genesis of
a plan anywhere, but it's there.
Queue a mind image of a chubby dwarf in a white suit and black dickie
tie ringing a bell and shouting "Ze plan! Ze plan!"
There isn't enough room to deal with highly complex dynamic systems,
celestial and galactic mechanics, chaos theory or complexity theory so
you'll just have to accept that chaos theory says simple systems can
exhibit complex behaviour. Complexity theory says there is a model of
activity in interactions. Cosmology tells us that the universe evolved
from hot plasma soup. Abiogenesis tells us that life arises from
inorganic matter.
For a good treatment of chaos in cosmology see "Order and chaos in
dynamical astronomy" by George Contopoulos -
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=7YkDhZCCLR4C&lpg=PP1&dq=chaos%20and%20order&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false
(http://tinyurl.com/4b67k7p)
Another very good book is "Emergence: from chaos to order" by John H.
Holland -
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=VjKtpujRGuAC&lpg=PP1&dq=John%20Holland%20Emergence%3A%20From%20Chaos%20to%20Order&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false
(http://tinyurl.com/4ghndx7)
So Where's the Plan?
====================
"Science shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of
matter towards more and more complex structures."
What's the Plan?
================
Everything that we know about the origin of life, the universe and
everything, tells us that quarks self-organise into hadrons, hadrons and
electrons self-organise into atoms, atoms self-organise into elements
and molecules (with some help from tremendous heat and pressure),
elements and molecules self-organise into simple cells, simple cells
self-organise into garden slugs and atheists...
Recall what I said earlier, "observation of events unfolding in a
consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan or not."
The consistent pattern is persistent self-organisation of matter, always
from the least complexity toward a higher complexity. The only sensible
thing that can be said about this is that the plan must be built in to
the very matter we are made of.
The universe as we know it is a closed system and, therefore, subject to
an inexorable increase in entropy. The observations you are talking
about involve decreasing entropy. Entropy cannot decrease forever.
And your point is?
Post by Dakota
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Furthermore, the unfolding of evolution leads, inexorably,
self-assembling at every step of the way, in a dead straight line, from
quarks to garden slugs and atheists, and eventually to consciousness.
Jacques Monod, quoted under the biology heading above must be spinning
in his grave right now. He said, "A totally blind process can by
definition lead to anything; it can even lead to vision (sight) itself."
What he should have said is "A totally blind process can by definition
lead to anything; it can even lead to ENvision itself."
Matter has evolved to detect and observe itself.
--
noddy : n. Condom; French letter; cock 'holder'.
Dakota
2011-01-29 00:24:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Dakota, whose name means "gaunt ass-farmer; has a small pecker; eats
Post by Dakota
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
Superlative bullshit from some of the above posters aside, the view
"There is no evolutionary reason for consciousness, but its role is
to increase the probability of persistence of the species in which
the process of consciousness emerges."
Introduction
============
The idea that evolution has a plan is just as much anathema to crackpot
creationists (young earthers) as it is to probably every atheist that
ever existed. In the case of young earthers, the idea is despised
because it denies a once and for all creation, with a complete absence
of evolution. In the case of atheists, it's despised because, without
any forethought, they infer that a plan necessarily entails a planner.
However I contend that evolution may indeed have a plan, which
necessarily entails purpose, and I also contend that the presence of a
plan does not mean we must invoke a planner.
In this essay I intend to show that there may indeed be an evolutionary
reason for consciousness, which is part of a plan, and I intend to do
this using only modern science. No Magical Sky Pixies, no Metaphysical
X's, no Invisible Pink Unicorns, and no stray noodley appendages
belonging to Flying Spaghetti Monsters.
IN SEARCH OF A PLAN
-------------------
Chance
======
The word 'chance' is used in this essay and it requires special
interpretation. An excellent treatment of the concepts that the word
embodies within evolutionary biology can be found in "Chance as an
explanatory factor in evolutionary biology" (Shanahan T. Department
of Philosophy, Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, CA 90045.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1801049
Darwinism
=========
Charles Darwin's seminal work is called "Origin of Species", not origin
of life. Darwinian evolution (Darwinism) adequately explains only how
species evolve from one kind to another. It does not explain the origins
of life. Indeed Darwinism assumes life as a pre-existing condition. The
presence of cells capable of division is one of two underpinning
assumptions in Darwinism. Conditions favourable to life pre-existing in
the planet's early environment is another fundamental assumption.
However Darwinism cannot explain these two conditions.
We need to look elsewhere for a plan.
Point of interest: Darwin himself, whilst atheist, was a natural
teleologist. He believed that nature depended on designed laws.
Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument -
Darwin wrote that "The old argument of design in nature, as given by
Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the
law of natural selection has been discovered."[12] Even so, Darwin held
that nature depended upon "designed laws" and commended Asa Gray for
pointing out that Darwin's work supported teleology.
Biology
=======
Darwinism is a foundational pillar of biology because it explains the
organisation we see in the plant and animal kingdoms. However just
because Darwinism doesn't indicate the plan we're looking for it does
not necessarily follow that the field of biology should be summarily
dismissed merely because of Darwinism. We need to investigate biology
for the plan we seek.
The science of biology itself is enormous in scope and it is not
possible to touch on all of it. The prevailing view of biologists with
respect to a plan for life will have to suffice.
Jacques Monod, quoted from
http://www.todayinsci.com/M/Monod_Jacques/MonodJacques-Quotations.htm
"A totally blind process can by definition lead to anything; it can even
lead to vision itself. "
"Chance alone is at the source of every innovaton [sic], of all creation
in the biosphere. Pure chance, only chance, absolute but blind liberty
is at the root of the prodigious edifice that is evolution... It today
is the sole conceivable hypothesis, the only one that squares with
observed and tested fact." - Stating life began by the chance collision
of particles of nucleic acid in the 'prebiotic soup.'
Stephen J Gould, quoted from
http://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/31-dennett-selections.htm - "wind
the tape of life back" and play it again and again, the likelihood is
infinitesimal of Us being the product on any other run through the
evolutionary mill.
For an excellent view of the meaning of chance in biology, see
http://www.santafe.edu/media/workingpapers/98-09-085.pdf
"On the dual nature of chance in evolutionary biology and paleobiology"
Gunther J. Eble, Committee on Evolutionary Biology, University of Chicago.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html
Darwin called his principle of the evolutionary process "natural
selection", a term that has given rise to almost as much confusion as
the malignant phrase donated to him by the philosopher Herbert Spencer,
"survival of the fittest". It has been understood to mean that the
natural world is an agent, selecting according to some purpose or goal;
that nature aims to perfect or complete the potential of a species.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Ok, we must accept that the prevailing view is, paraphrasing the
talk.origins FAQ, the natural world is not an agent that selects
according to some purpose or goal.
There's no plan to be found there either. In fact, the talk.origins FAQ
explicitly denies any kind of plan, goal or purpose.
Primordial Slime
================
Abiogenesis is the theory that life arises from inorganic matter through
natural processes. It is the commonly held theory of how the vitality of
life appeared from lifeless matter.
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ on the origins of life,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html - "Science
shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of matter
towards more and more complex structures. Atoms, stars and galaxies
self-assembled out of the fundamental particles produced by the Big
Bang. In first-generation stars, heavier elements like carbon, nitrogen
and oxygen were formed. Aging first-generation stars then expelled them
out into space � we, who consist of these elements, are thus literally
born from stardust. The heaviest elements were born in the explosions of
supernovae. The forces of gravity subsequently allowed for the formation
of newer stars and of planets. Finally, in the process of biological
evolution from bacteria-like tiny cells (the last universal common
ancestor, abbr. LUCA) to all life on earth, including us humans, complex
life forms arose from simpler ones."
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ again,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html - Even the
simplest currently living cells contain hundreds of proteins most of
which are essential to their functioning. Yet such complexity cannot
have stood at the origin of life. Based on research in the field it is
proposed here how, once a self-replicating genetic molecule existed,
life might have started and gradual evolution of complexity was made
possible...
And again, http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html -
"In summary, based on available data a spontaneous origin of life as
simple 'cells' containing a single genetic polymer, upon which natural
selection could act, is feasible. A gradual evolutionary transition from
these to common cellular complexity would have been possible."
Quick Review
============
The scientific view of the origin of life can be summarised in one
sentence without losing anything from, or adding anything to, the
essence of what has been discussed above. Life has a natural origin.
The Planner
===========
If there is a plan then it is right to infer a planner but if we look
around it's quite obvious that if there is a planner we don't see one.
To all intents and purposes we can find no planner. However in order to
establish that a plan exists we do not have to establish a planner.
We are looking for a plan. We need a schema, a schematic, blueprints if
you will. If we can find a schema then the schema itself is sufficient
to disclose that a plan exists and we need not invoke logically
incoherent archetypes of various kinds of sky pixies; observation of
events unfolding in a consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan
or not.
How will the observations tell us that?
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Finally, if we are assuming that life had a natural origin, which we
are, then we don't need a planner at all. We only need find the plan.
The Plan
========
With big bangs, chaotic disorder of formless matter, enormously vast
masses of swirling, hot gas, chance collisions, exploding stars,
recycled stellar dust, colliding galaxies, the gradual accumulation of
molecules, pointless chemical reactions with no rhyme or reason, the
appearance of "simple 'cells' containing genetic polymers" and outright
denials of either purpose or goal it might be hard to see the genesis of
a plan anywhere, but it's there.
Queue a mind image of a chubby dwarf in a white suit and black dickie
tie ringing a bell and shouting "Ze plan! Ze plan!"
There isn't enough room to deal with highly complex dynamic systems,
celestial and galactic mechanics, chaos theory or complexity theory so
you'll just have to accept that chaos theory says simple systems can
exhibit complex behaviour. Complexity theory says there is a model of
activity in interactions. Cosmology tells us that the universe evolved
from hot plasma soup. Abiogenesis tells us that life arises from
inorganic matter.
For a good treatment of chaos in cosmology see "Order and chaos in
dynamical astronomy" by George Contopoulos -
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=7YkDhZCCLR4C&lpg=PP1&dq=chaos%20and%20order&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false
(http://tinyurl.com/4b67k7p)
Another very good book is "Emergence: from chaos to order" by John H.
Holland -
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=VjKtpujRGuAC&lpg=PP1&dq=John%20Holland%20Emergence%3A%20From%20Chaos%20to%20Order&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false
(http://tinyurl.com/4ghndx7)
So Where's the Plan?
====================
"Science shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of
matter towards more and more complex structures."
What's the Plan?
================
Everything that we know about the origin of life, the universe and
everything, tells us that quarks self-organise into hadrons, hadrons and
electrons self-organise into atoms, atoms self-organise into elements
and molecules (with some help from tremendous heat and pressure),
elements and molecules self-organise into simple cells, simple cells
self-organise into garden slugs and atheists...
Recall what I said earlier, "observation of events unfolding in a
consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan or not."
The consistent pattern is persistent self-organisation of matter, always
from the least complexity toward a higher complexity. The only sensible
thing that can be said about this is that the plan must be built in to
the very matter we are made of.
The universe as we know it is a closed system and, therefore, subject to
an inexorable increase in entropy. The observations you are talking
about involve decreasing entropy. Entropy cannot decrease forever.
And your point is?
My point is that the 'consistent pattern' cannot continue. I didn't
think of it at the time but I might have said that even the observed
patterns do not always persistently go from the less to the more
complex. When a living thing dies, it decays. Radioactive elements also
decay. They both become less complex as they do so. Therefore, the basis
for your 'sensible thing' statement is false. Your plan does not exist.
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by Dakota
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Furthermore, the unfolding of evolution leads, inexorably,
self-assembling at every step of the way, in a dead straight line, from
quarks to garden slugs and atheists, and eventually to consciousness.
Jacques Monod, quoted under the biology heading above must be spinning
in his grave right now. He said, "A totally blind process can by
definition lead to anything; it can even lead to vision (sight) itself."
What he should have said is "A totally blind process can by definition
lead to anything; it can even lead to ENvision itself."
Matter has evolved to detect and observe itself.
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 01:14:11 UTC
Permalink
Dakota, whose name means "seedy fruit-fly; raging homosexual; has
Post by Dakota
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Dakota, whose name means "gaunt ass-farmer; has a small pecker; eats
Post by Dakota
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
Superlative bullshit from some of the above posters aside, the view
"There is no evolutionary reason for consciousness, but its role is
to increase the probability of persistence of the species in which
the process of consciousness emerges."
Introduction
============
The idea that evolution has a plan is just as much anathema to crackpot
creationists (young earthers) as it is to probably every atheist that
ever existed. In the case of young earthers, the idea is despised
because it denies a once and for all creation, with a complete absence
of evolution. In the case of atheists, it's despised because, without
any forethought, they infer that a plan necessarily entails a planner.
However I contend that evolution may indeed have a plan, which
necessarily entails purpose, and I also contend that the presence of a
plan does not mean we must invoke a planner.
In this essay I intend to show that there may indeed be an evolutionary
reason for consciousness, which is part of a plan, and I intend to do
this using only modern science. No Magical Sky Pixies, no Metaphysical
X's, no Invisible Pink Unicorns, and no stray noodley appendages
belonging to Flying Spaghetti Monsters.
IN SEARCH OF A PLAN
-------------------
Chance
======
The word 'chance' is used in this essay and it requires special
interpretation. An excellent treatment of the concepts that the word
embodies within evolutionary biology can be found in "Chance as an
explanatory factor in evolutionary biology" (Shanahan T. Department
of Philosophy, Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, CA 90045.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1801049
Darwinism
=========
Charles Darwin's seminal work is called "Origin of Species", not origin
of life. Darwinian evolution (Darwinism) adequately explains only how
species evolve from one kind to another. It does not explain the origins
of life. Indeed Darwinism assumes life as a pre-existing condition. The
presence of cells capable of division is one of two underpinning
assumptions in Darwinism. Conditions favourable to life pre-existing in
the planet's early environment is another fundamental assumption.
However Darwinism cannot explain these two conditions.
We need to look elsewhere for a plan.
Point of interest: Darwin himself, whilst atheist, was a natural
teleologist. He believed that nature depended on designed laws.
Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument -
Darwin wrote that "The old argument of design in nature, as given by
Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the
law of natural selection has been discovered."[12] Even so, Darwin held
that nature depended upon "designed laws" and commended Asa Gray for
pointing out that Darwin's work supported teleology.
Biology
=======
Darwinism is a foundational pillar of biology because it explains the
organisation we see in the plant and animal kingdoms. However just
because Darwinism doesn't indicate the plan we're looking for it does
not necessarily follow that the field of biology should be summarily
dismissed merely because of Darwinism. We need to investigate biology
for the plan we seek.
The science of biology itself is enormous in scope and it is not
possible to touch on all of it. The prevailing view of biologists with
respect to a plan for life will have to suffice.
Jacques Monod, quoted from
http://www.todayinsci.com/M/Monod_Jacques/MonodJacques-Quotations.htm
"A totally blind process can by definition lead to anything; it can even
lead to vision itself. "
"Chance alone is at the source of every innovaton [sic], of all creation
in the biosphere. Pure chance, only chance, absolute but blind liberty
is at the root of the prodigious edifice that is evolution... It today
is the sole conceivable hypothesis, the only one that squares with
observed and tested fact." - Stating life began by the chance collision
of particles of nucleic acid in the 'prebiotic soup.'
Stephen J Gould, quoted from
http://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/31-dennett-selections.htm - "wind
the tape of life back" and play it again and again, the likelihood is
infinitesimal of Us being the product on any other run through the
evolutionary mill.
For an excellent view of the meaning of chance in biology, see
http://www.santafe.edu/media/workingpapers/98-09-085.pdf
"On the dual nature of chance in evolutionary biology and paleobiology"
Gunther J. Eble, Committee on Evolutionary Biology, University of Chicago.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html
Darwin called his principle of the evolutionary process "natural
selection", a term that has given rise to almost as much confusion as
the malignant phrase donated to him by the philosopher Herbert Spencer,
"survival of the fittest". It has been understood to mean that the
natural world is an agent, selecting according to some purpose or goal;
that nature aims to perfect or complete the potential of a species.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Ok, we must accept that the prevailing view is, paraphrasing the
talk.origins FAQ, the natural world is not an agent that selects
according to some purpose or goal.
There's no plan to be found there either. In fact, the talk.origins FAQ
explicitly denies any kind of plan, goal or purpose.
Primordial Slime
================
Abiogenesis is the theory that life arises from inorganic matter through
natural processes. It is the commonly held theory of how the vitality of
life appeared from lifeless matter.
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ on the origins of life,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html - "Science
shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of matter
towards more and more complex structures. Atoms, stars and galaxies
self-assembled out of the fundamental particles produced by the Big
Bang. In first-generation stars, heavier elements like carbon, nitrogen
and oxygen were formed. Aging first-generation stars then expelled them
out into space � we, who consist of these elements, are thus literally
born from stardust. The heaviest elements were born in the
explosions of
supernovae. The forces of gravity subsequently allowed for the formation
of newer stars and of planets. Finally, in the process of biological
evolution from bacteria-like tiny cells (the last universal common
ancestor, abbr. LUCA) to all life on earth, including us humans, complex
life forms arose from simpler ones."
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ again,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html - Even the
simplest currently living cells contain hundreds of proteins most of
which are essential to their functioning. Yet such complexity cannot
have stood at the origin of life. Based on research in the field it is
proposed here how, once a self-replicating genetic molecule existed,
life might have started and gradual evolution of complexity was made
possible...
And again, http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html -
"In summary, based on available data a spontaneous origin of life as
simple 'cells' containing a single genetic polymer, upon which natural
selection could act, is feasible. A gradual evolutionary transition from
these to common cellular complexity would have been possible."
Quick Review
============
The scientific view of the origin of life can be summarised in one
sentence without losing anything from, or adding anything to, the
essence of what has been discussed above. Life has a natural origin.
The Planner
===========
If there is a plan then it is right to infer a planner but if we look
around it's quite obvious that if there is a planner we don't see one.
To all intents and purposes we can find no planner. However in order to
establish that a plan exists we do not have to establish a planner.
We are looking for a plan. We need a schema, a schematic, blueprints if
you will. If we can find a schema then the schema itself is sufficient
to disclose that a plan exists and we need not invoke logically
incoherent archetypes of various kinds of sky pixies; observation of
events unfolding in a consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan
or not.
How will the observations tell us that?
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Finally, if we are assuming that life had a natural origin, which we
are, then we don't need a planner at all. We only need find the plan.
The Plan
========
With big bangs, chaotic disorder of formless matter, enormously vast
masses of swirling, hot gas, chance collisions, exploding stars,
recycled stellar dust, colliding galaxies, the gradual accumulation of
molecules, pointless chemical reactions with no rhyme or reason, the
appearance of "simple 'cells' containing genetic polymers" and outright
denials of either purpose or goal it might be hard to see the genesis of
a plan anywhere, but it's there.
Queue a mind image of a chubby dwarf in a white suit and black dickie
tie ringing a bell and shouting "Ze plan! Ze plan!"
There isn't enough room to deal with highly complex dynamic systems,
celestial and galactic mechanics, chaos theory or complexity theory so
you'll just have to accept that chaos theory says simple systems can
exhibit complex behaviour. Complexity theory says there is a model of
activity in interactions. Cosmology tells us that the universe evolved
from hot plasma soup. Abiogenesis tells us that life arises from
inorganic matter.
For a good treatment of chaos in cosmology see "Order and chaos in
dynamical astronomy" by George Contopoulos -
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=7YkDhZCCLR4C&lpg=PP1&dq=chaos%20and%20order&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false
(http://tinyurl.com/4b67k7p)
Another very good book is "Emergence: from chaos to order" by John H.
Holland -
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=VjKtpujRGuAC&lpg=PP1&dq=John%20Holland%20Emergence%3A%20From%20Chaos%20to%20Order&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false
(http://tinyurl.com/4ghndx7)
So Where's the Plan?
====================
"Science shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of
matter towards more and more complex structures."
What's the Plan?
================
Everything that we know about the origin of life, the universe and
everything, tells us that quarks self-organise into hadrons, hadrons and
electrons self-organise into atoms, atoms self-organise into elements
and molecules (with some help from tremendous heat and pressure),
elements and molecules self-organise into simple cells, simple cells
self-organise into garden slugs and atheists...
Recall what I said earlier, "observation of events unfolding in a
consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan or not."
The consistent pattern is persistent self-organisation of matter, always
from the least complexity toward a higher complexity. The only sensible
thing that can be said about this is that the plan must be built in to
the very matter we are made of.
The universe as we know it is a closed system and, therefore, subject to
an inexorable increase in entropy. The observations you are talking
about involve decreasing entropy. Entropy cannot decrease forever.
And your point is?
My point is that the 'consistent pattern' cannot continue. I didn't
think of it at the time but I might have said that even the observed
patterns do not always persistently go from the less to the more
complex. When a living thing dies, it decays. Radioactive elements also
decay. They both become less complex as they do so. Therefore, the basis
for your 'sensible thing' statement is false. Your plan does not exist.
You have conflated entropy with equilibrium thermomdynamics and raised a
hideous monster born out of your own fuckwittery.

Entropy increases only under the condition that internal energy, matter
and volume are constant. Certainly every living thing directly violates
the condition. This is entropy reduction, local entropy decrease, where
transformation of energy lowers entropy and maintains order. The process
of ageing is empirical evidence that, while entropy is reduced, entropy
finally wins. That latter point you have agreed with previously.

You will find an extensive coverage of entropy reduction in "Classical
and Quantum Mechanics via Lie algebras" here:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0810.1019 (Arnold Neumaier & Dennis Westra,
University of Vienna, Austria).

However, since you readily admit to not understanding a fucking thing
about quantum mechanics, and since you didn't take up my magnanimous
offer to send you, without any obligation whatsoever, a number of
electronic books that would progress your understanding without much
pain, I don't fancy your chances of you ever comprehending your
laughable error.

Nor do I expect you to ever realise that since living things exhibit
entropy decrease, which by the very same laws of thermodynamics requires
energy input to sustain the process, that the death of a living thing
necessarily entails the immediate departure of some quanta of energy. If
this were not true then decay of living matter into stinking pools of
cadaverine and putrescine could not, ever, commence immediately after
said death without violating the laws of thermodynamics.

The very observation that the commencement of decay in corpses of
formerly living things is not delayed, but does in fact follow death
with great immediacy, is empirical evidence of your foolish unthinking.

Nevertheless, nice try at grasping at straws to maintain a slippery hold
on your now scientifically destroyed atheistic world view.
Post by Dakota
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Post by Dakota
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Furthermore, the unfolding of evolution leads, inexorably,
self-assembling at every step of the way, in a dead straight line, from
quarks to garden slugs and atheists, and eventually to consciousness.
Jacques Monod, quoted under the biology heading above must be spinning
in his grave right now. He said, "A totally blind process can by
definition lead to anything; it can even lead to vision (sight) itself."
What he should have said is "A totally blind process can by definition
lead to anything; it can even lead to ENvision itself."
Matter has evolved to detect and observe itself.
--
drop anchor in bum bay : v. To arrive at the rear admiral's (qv)
favourite port of call.
bpuharic
2011-01-29 01:37:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Entropy increases only under the condition that internal energy, matter
and volume are constant.
not quite true. it increases if ENTHALPY is constant. if you have
constant internal energy (U), and do work on the system or add or
subtract heat, then entropy can increase or decrease.
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Nevertheless, nice try at grasping at straws to maintain a slippery hold
on your now scientifically destroyed atheistic world view.
gee. you havent proven it.

go ahead. give it your best shot. your crap about intelligence causing
matter is nonsense
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 01:53:43 UTC
Permalink
bpuharic, whose name means "prattling fart-catcher; gets around in
piss-soaked underwear; takes pleasure in wild buttock slamming fun
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Entropy increases only under the condition that internal energy, matter
and volume are constant.
not quite true. it increases if ENTHALPY is constant. if you have
constant internal energy (U), and do work on the system or add or
subtract heat, then entropy can increase or decrease.
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Nevertheless, nice try at grasping at straws to maintain a slippery hold
on your now scientifically destroyed atheistic world view.
gee. you havent proven it.
go ahead. give it your best shot. your crap about intelligence causing
matter is nonsense
I did not claim that intelligence causes matter. Go back and have
another read, you dumbfuck atheist cuntard because all you're doing is
arguing against your very own imaginary creations.

The observant reader will note then that, as far as you are concerned,
nothing has changed in that regard. You imagine things that do not exist
and, like some demented clown in the puppet show of life, proceed to
deny the validity of the product of your very own mad mind.

Now, please pick one:

A) Dispute the conclusion that matter has evolved to detect and observe
itself.

B) Fuck right off and die.
--
navigator of the windward pass : n. Rear admiral (qv).
bpuharic
2011-01-29 01:58:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kadaitcha Man
bpuharic, whose name means "prattling fart-catcher; gets around in
piss-soaked underwear; takes pleasure in wild buttock slamming fun
Post by bpuharic
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Nevertheless, nice try at grasping at straws to maintain a slippery hold
on your now scientifically destroyed atheistic world view.
gee. you havent proven it.
go ahead. give it your best shot. your crap about intelligence causing
matter is nonsense
I did not claim that intelligence causes matter. Go back and have
another read, you dumbfuck atheist cuntard because all you're doing is
arguing against your very own imaginary creations.
ummm....is this along the same line where you got your ass kicked
asserting inflation was the same as the big bang?

you got insults?

i got facts

i prefer my side
Post by Kadaitcha Man
The observant reader will note then that, as far as you are concerned,
nothing has changed in that regard. You imagine things that do not exist
and, like some demented clown in the puppet show of life, proceed to
deny the validity of the product of your very own mad mind.
blah blah blah. you muddy the waters with your typical confused sky
spook thinking then complain when you're flayed

and language got more direct since the days of jane austen. you ever
take a writing course?
Post by Kadaitcha Man
A) Dispute the conclusion that matter has evolved to detect and observe
itself.
irrelevant to anything
Post by Kadaitcha Man
B) Fuck right off and die.
you first
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 02:09:44 UTC
Permalink
bpuharic, whose name means "derelict tan-tracker; eats with hands;
Post by bpuharic
blah blah blah
Oh, look. Reverse entropy.
--
carnival knowledge : n. Latin phrase meaning to have sex. As in: 'Have
you had carnival knowledge with your wife within the last two weeks?'
Nathan Levesque
2011-01-29 01:28:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
Superlative bullshit from some of the above posters aside, the view
"There is no evolutionary reason for consciousness, but its role is
to increase the probability of persistence of the species in which
the process of consciousness emerges."
Introduction
============
The idea that evolution has a plan is just as much anathema to crackpot
creationists (young earthers) as it is to probably every atheist that
ever existed. In the case of young earthers, the idea is despised
because it denies a once and for all creation, with a complete absence
of evolution. In the case of atheists, it's despised because, without
any forethought, they infer that a plan necessarily entails a planner.
However I contend that evolution may indeed have a plan, which
necessarily entails purpose, and I also contend that the presence of a
plan does not mean we must invoke a planner.
In this essay I intend to show that there may indeed be an evolutionary
reason for consciousness, which is part of a plan, and I intend to do
this using only modern science. No Magical Sky Pixies, no Metaphysical
X's, no Invisible Pink Unicorns, and no stray noodley appendages
belonging to Flying Spaghetti Monsters.
IN SEARCH OF A PLAN
-------------------
Chance
======
The word 'chance' is used in this essay and it requires special
interpretation. An excellent treatment of the concepts that the word
embodies within evolutionary biology can be found in "Chance as an
explanatory factor in evolutionary biology" (Shanahan T. Department
of Philosophy, Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, CA 90045.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1801049
Darwinism
=========
Charles Darwin's seminal work is called "Origin of Species", not origin
of life. Darwinian evolution (Darwinism) adequately explains only how
species evolve from one kind to another. It does not explain the origins
of life. Indeed Darwinism assumes life as a pre-existing condition. The
presence of cells capable of division is one of two underpinning
assumptions in Darwinism. Conditions favourable to life pre-existing in
the planet's early environment is another fundamental assumption.
However Darwinism cannot explain these two conditions.
We need to look elsewhere for a plan.
Point of interest: Darwin himself, whilst atheist, was a natural
teleologist. He believed that nature depended on designed laws.
Quoting fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument-
Darwin wrote that "The old argument of design in nature, as given by
Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the
law of natural selection has been discovered."[12] Even so, Darwin held
that nature depended upon "designed laws" and commended Asa Gray for
pointing out that Darwin's work supported teleology.
Biology
=======
Darwinism is a foundational pillar of biology because it explains the
organisation we see in the plant and animal kingdoms. However just
because Darwinism doesn't indicate the plan we're looking for it does
not necessarily follow that the field of biology should be summarily
dismissed merely because of Darwinism. We need to investigate biology
for the plan we seek.
The science of biology itself is enormous in scope and it is not
possible to touch on all of it. The prevailing view of biologists with
respect to a plan for life will have to suffice.
Jacques Monod, quoted fromhttp://www.todayinsci.com/M/Monod_Jacques/MonodJacques-Quotations.htm
"A totally blind process can by definition lead to anything; it can even
lead to vision itself. "
"Chance alone is at the source of every innovaton [sic], of all creation
in the biosphere. Pure chance, only chance, absolute but blind liberty
is at the root of the prodigious edifice that is evolution... It today
is the sole conceivable hypothesis, the only one that squares with
observed and tested fact." - Stating life began by the chance collision
of particles of nucleic acid in the 'prebiotic soup.'
Stephen J Gould, quoted fromhttp://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/31-dennett-selections.htm- "wind
the tape of life back" and play it again and again, the likelihood is
infinitesimal of Us being the product on any other run through the
evolutionary mill.
For an excellent view of the meaning of chance in biology, seehttp://www.santafe.edu/media/workingpapers/98-09-085.pdf
"On the dual nature of chance in evolutionary biology and paleobiology"
Gunther J. Eble, Committee on Evolutionary Biology, University of Chicago.
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ:http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html
Darwin called his principle of the evolutionary process "natural
selection", a term that has given rise to almost as much confusion as
the malignant phrase donated to him by the philosopher Herbert Spencer,
"survival of the fittest". It has been understood to mean that the
natural world is an agent, selecting according to some purpose or goal;
that nature aims to perfect or complete the potential of a species.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Ok, we must accept that the prevailing view is, paraphrasing the
talk.origins FAQ, the natural world is not an agent that selects
according to some purpose or goal.
There's no plan to be found there either. In fact, the talk.origins FAQ
explicitly denies any kind of plan, goal or purpose.
Primordial Slime
================
Abiogenesis is the theory that life arises from inorganic matter through
natural processes. It is the commonly held theory of how the vitality of
life appeared from lifeless matter.
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ on the origins of life,http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html- "Science
shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of matter
towards more and more complex structures. Atoms, stars and galaxies
self-assembled out of the fundamental particles produced by the Big
Bang. In first-generation stars, heavier elements like carbon, nitrogen
and oxygen were formed. Aging first-generation stars then expelled them
out into space we, who consist of these elements, are thus literally
born from stardust. The heaviest elements were born in the explosions of
supernovae. The forces of gravity subsequently allowed for the formation
of newer stars and of planets. Finally, in the process of biological
evolution from bacteria-like tiny cells (the last universal common
ancestor, abbr. LUCA) to all life on earth, including us humans, complex
life forms arose from simpler ones."
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ again,http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html- Even the
simplest currently living cells contain hundreds of proteins most of
which are essential to their functioning. Yet such complexity cannot
have stood at the origin of life. Based on research in the field it is
proposed here how, once a self-replicating genetic molecule existed,
life might have started and gradual evolution of complexity was made
possible...
And again,http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html-
"In summary, based on available data a spontaneous origin of life as
simple 'cells' containing a single genetic polymer, upon which natural
selection could act, is feasible. A gradual evolutionary transition from
these to common cellular complexity would have been possible."
Quick Review
============
The scientific view of the origin of life can be summarised in one
sentence without losing anything from, or adding anything to, the
essence of what has been discussed above. Life has a natural origin.
The Planner
===========
If there is a plan then it is right to infer a planner but if we look
around it's quite obvious that if there is a planner we don't see one.
To all intents and purposes we can find no planner. However in order to
establish that a plan exists we do not have to establish a planner.
We are looking for a plan. We need a schema, a schematic, blueprints if
you will. If we can find a schema then the schema itself is sufficient
to disclose that a plan exists and we need not invoke logically
incoherent archetypes of various kinds of sky pixies; observation of
events unfolding in a consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan
or not.
Finally, if we are assuming that life had a natural origin, which we
are, then we don't need a planner at all. We only need find the plan.
The Plan
========
With big bangs, chaotic disorder of formless matter, enormously vast
masses of swirling, hot gas, chance collisions, exploding stars,
recycled stellar dust, colliding galaxies, the gradual accumulation of
molecules, pointless chemical reactions with no rhyme or reason, the
appearance of "simple 'cells' containing genetic polymers" and outright
denials of either purpose or goal it might be hard to see the genesis of
a plan anywhere, but it's there.
Queue a mind image of a chubby dwarf in a white suit and black dickie
tie ringing a bell and shouting "Ze plan! Ze plan!"
There isn't enough room to deal with highly complex dynamic systems,
celestial and galactic mechanics, chaos theory or complexity theory so
you'll just have to accept that chaos theory says simple systems can
exhibit complex behaviour. Complexity theory says there is a model of
activity in interactions. Cosmology tells us that the universe evolved
from hot plasma soup. Abiogenesis tells us that life arises from inorganic
matter.
For a good treatment of chaos in cosmology see "Order and chaos in
dynamical astronomy" by George Contopoulos - ...
read more »
I already tried to post here, not sure what happened.
We already know that certain structures and features are inevitable
given certain conditions, namely the environment. For the earth eyes
and wings seem to be inevitable, in that sense there is an inherent
plan due to the environment and other conditions. It remains to be
seen if this is true of consciousness in biology.
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 01:47:14 UTC
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Nathan Levesque, whose name means "squat nimfadoro; can't stop wanking
Post by Nathan Levesque
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Essays for Atheists: No.1 - Evolution and Consciousness
=======================================================
This essay is in response to claims made in alt.atheism by Zinnic,
Immortalist and Giga2 in the "A Really Hard Problem" thread, circa
20-22 January 2011. The question was asked, "What is the
evolutionary reason for consciousness?"
Superlative bullshit from some of the above posters aside, the view
"There is no evolutionary reason for consciousness, but its role is
to increase the probability of persistence of the species in which
the process of consciousness emerges."
Introduction
============
The idea that evolution has a plan is just as much anathema to crackpot
creationists (young earthers) as it is to probably every atheist that
ever existed. In the case of young earthers, the idea is despised
because it denies a once and for all creation, with a complete absence
of evolution. In the case of atheists, it's despised because, without
any forethought, they infer that a plan necessarily entails a planner.
However I contend that evolution may indeed have a plan, which
necessarily entails purpose, and I also contend that the presence of a
plan does not mean we must invoke a planner.
In this essay I intend to show that there may indeed be an evolutionary
reason for consciousness, which is part of a plan, and I intend to do
this using only modern science. No Magical Sky Pixies, no Metaphysical
X's, no Invisible Pink Unicorns, and no stray noodley appendages
belonging to Flying Spaghetti Monsters.
IN SEARCH OF A PLAN
-------------------
Chance
======
The word 'chance' is used in this essay and it requires special
interpretation. An excellent treatment of the concepts that the word
embodies within evolutionary biology can be found in "Chance as an
explanatory factor in evolutionary biology" (Shanahan T. Department
of Philosophy, Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, CA 90045.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1801049
Darwinism
=========
Charles Darwin's seminal work is called "Origin of Species", not origin
of life. Darwinian evolution (Darwinism) adequately explains only how
species evolve from one kind to another. It does not explain the origins
of life. Indeed Darwinism assumes life as a pre-existing condition. The
presence of cells capable of division is one of two underpinning
assumptions in Darwinism. Conditions favourable to life pre-existing in
the planet's early environment is another fundamental assumption.
However Darwinism cannot explain these two conditions.
We need to look elsewhere for a plan.
Point of interest: Darwin himself, whilst atheist, was a natural
teleologist. He believed that nature depended on designed laws.
Quoting fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument-
Darwin wrote that "The old argument of design in nature, as given by
Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the
law of natural selection has been discovered."[12] Even so, Darwin held
that nature depended upon "designed laws" and commended Asa Gray for
pointing out that Darwin's work supported teleology.
Biology
=======
Darwinism is a foundational pillar of biology because it explains the
organisation we see in the plant and animal kingdoms. However just
because Darwinism doesn't indicate the plan we're looking for it does
not necessarily follow that the field of biology should be summarily
dismissed merely because of Darwinism. We need to investigate biology
for the plan we seek.
The science of biology itself is enormous in scope and it is not
possible to touch on all of it. The prevailing view of biologists with
respect to a plan for life will have to suffice.
Jacques Monod, quoted fromhttp://www.todayinsci.com/M/Monod_Jacques/MonodJacques-Quotations.htm
"A totally blind process can by definition lead to anything; it can even
lead to vision itself. "
"Chance alone is at the source of every innovaton [sic], of all creation
in the biosphere. Pure chance, only chance, absolute but blind liberty
is at the root of the prodigious edifice that is evolution... It today
is the sole conceivable hypothesis, the only one that squares with
observed and tested fact." - Stating life began by the chance collision
of particles of nucleic acid in the 'prebiotic soup.'
Stephen J Gould, quoted fromhttp://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/31-dennett-selections.htm- "wind
the tape of life back" and play it again and again, the likelihood is
infinitesimal of Us being the product on any other run through the
evolutionary mill.
For an excellent view of the meaning of chance in biology, seehttp://www.santafe.edu/media/workingpapers/98-09-085.pdf
"On the dual nature of chance in evolutionary biology and paleobiology"
Gunther J. Eble, Committee on Evolutionary Biology, University of Chicago..
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ:http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html
Darwin called his principle of the evolutionary process "natural
selection", a term that has given rise to almost as much confusion as
the malignant phrase donated to him by the philosopher Herbert Spencer,
"survival of the fittest". It has been understood to mean that the
natural world is an agent, selecting according to some purpose or goal;
that nature aims to perfect or complete the potential of a species.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Ok, we must accept that the prevailing view is, paraphrasing the
talk.origins FAQ, the natural world is not an agent that selects
according to some purpose or goal.
There's no plan to be found there either. In fact, the talk.origins FAQ
explicitly denies any kind of plan, goal or purpose.
Primordial Slime
================
Abiogenesis is the theory that life arises from inorganic matter through
natural processes. It is the commonly held theory of how the vitality of
life appeared from lifeless matter.
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ on the origins of life,http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html- "Science
shows us that the universe evolved by self-organization of matter
towards more and more complex structures. Atoms, stars and galaxies
self-assembled out of the fundamental particles produced by the Big
Bang. In first-generation stars, heavier elements like carbon, nitrogen
and oxygen were formed. Aging first-generation stars then expelled them
out into space we, who consist of these elements, are thus literally
born from stardust. The heaviest elements were born in the explosions of
supernovae. The forces of gravity subsequently allowed for the formation
of newer stars and of planets. Finally, in the process of biological
evolution from bacteria-like tiny cells (the last universal common
ancestor, abbr. LUCA) to all life on earth, including us humans, complex
life forms arose from simpler ones."
Quoting from the talk.origins FAQ again,http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html- Even the
simplest currently living cells contain hundreds of proteins most of
which are essential to their functioning. Yet such complexity cannot
have stood at the origin of life. Based on research in the field it is
proposed here how, once a self-replicating genetic molecule existed,
life might have started and gradual evolution of complexity was made
possible...
And again,http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html-
"In summary, based on available data a spontaneous origin of life as
simple 'cells' containing a single genetic polymer, upon which natural
selection could act, is feasible. A gradual evolutionary transition from
these to common cellular complexity would have been possible."
Quick Review
============
The scientific view of the origin of life can be summarised in one
sentence without losing anything from, or adding anything to, the
essence of what has been discussed above. Life has a natural origin.
The Planner
===========
If there is a plan then it is right to infer a planner but if we look
around it's quite obvious that if there is a planner we don't see one.
To all intents and purposes we can find no planner. However in order to
establish that a plan exists we do not have to establish a planner.
We are looking for a plan. We need a schema, a schematic, blueprints if
you will. If we can find a schema then the schema itself is sufficient
to disclose that a plan exists and we need not invoke logically
incoherent archetypes of various kinds of sky pixies; observation of
events unfolding in a consistent pattern will tell us if there's a plan
or not.
Finally, if we are assuming that life had a natural origin, which we
are, then we don't need a planner at all. We only need find the plan.
The Plan
========
With big bangs, chaotic disorder of formless matter, enormously vast
masses of swirling, hot gas, chance collisions, exploding stars,
recycled stellar dust, colliding galaxies, the gradual accumulation of
molecules, pointless chemical reactions with no rhyme or reason, the
appearance of "simple 'cells' containing genetic polymers" and outright
denials of either purpose or goal it might be hard to see the genesis of
a plan anywhere, but it's there.
Queue a mind image of a chubby dwarf in a white suit and black dickie
tie ringing a bell and shouting "Ze plan! Ze plan!"
There isn't enough room to deal with highly complex dynamic systems,
celestial and galactic mechanics, chaos theory or complexity theory so
you'll just have to accept that chaos theory says simple systems can
exhibit complex behaviour. Complexity theory says there is a model of
activity in interactions. Cosmology tells us that the universe evolved
from hot plasma soup. Abiogenesis tells us that life arises from inorganic
matter.
For a good treatment of chaos in cosmology see "Order and chaos in
dynamical astronomy" by George Contopoulos - ...
read more �
I already tried to post here, not sure what happened.
We already know that certain structures and features are inevitable
given certain conditions, namely the environment. For the earth eyes
and wings seem to be inevitable, in that sense there is an inherent
plan due to the environment and other conditions. It remains to be
seen if this is true of consciousness in biology.
I deliberately avoided mention of nature throwing up such commonalities
in largely disparate, mostly unrelated species evolving on separate
evolutionary lines. Such a statement would have allowed the atheist
fuckwits I have to deal with in alt.atheism to wrongly infer magickal
intelligent design by some imaginary proxy. The opportunity would have
been latched on and virulently pressed to avoid my conclusion that
science is telling us that matter has evolved to detect and observe itself.

I appreciate your comment and have no disagreement.
--
take Captain Picard to warp speed : v. TV baldy /cock : euphemism.
Masturbate; to strangle Kojak.
Nathan Levesque
2011-01-29 03:10:51 UTC
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Post by Kadaitcha Man
Nathan Levesque, whose name means "squat nimfadoro; can't stop wanking
I appreciate your comment and have no disagreement.
Then why insult me with false etymology of my name?
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 03:22:08 UTC
Permalink
Nathan Levesque, thou hast not so much brain as ear wax. Ye are a
flap-mouthed fusspot, an indecent foreign recreant, a hedge-born lout,
a cheese-filled wild heart, thou issue of a mangy dog. Ye cried
Post by Nathan Levesque
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Nathan Levesque, whose name means "squat nimfadoro; can't stop wanking
I appreciate your comment and have no disagreement.
Then why insult me with false etymology of my name?
LMAO
--
shit faced : n. Arseholed; intoxicated; para-fuckin-lytic.
Nathan Levesque
2011-01-29 05:51:29 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 28, 9:22 pm, Kadaitcha Man
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Nathan Levesque, thou hast not so much brain as ear wax. Ye are a
flap-mouthed fusspot, an indecent foreign recreant, a hedge-born lout,
a cheese-filled wild heart, thou issue of a mangy dog. Ye cried
Post by Nathan Levesque
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Nathan Levesque, whose name means "squat nimfadoro; can't stop wanking
I appreciate your comment and have no disagreement.
Then why insult me with false etymology of my name?
LMAO
--
shit faced : n. Arseholed; intoxicated; para-fuckin-lytic.
I guess you're committed to being a belligerent troll. Good to know.
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-29 06:27:52 UTC
Permalink
Nathan Levesque, I had rather be married to a deaths head with a bone
in his mouth. Ye rank courteous destroyer, it is certain that when ye
On Jan 28, 9:22 pm, Kadaitcha Man
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Nathan Levesque, thou hast not so much brain as ear wax. Ye are a
flap-mouthed fusspot, an indecent foreign recreant, a hedge-born lout,
a cheese-filled wild heart, thou issue of a mangy dog. Ye cried
Post by Nathan Levesque
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Nathan Levesque, whose name means "squat nimfadoro; can't stop wanking
I appreciate your comment and have no disagreement.
Then why insult me with false etymology of my name?
LMAO
--
shit faced : n. Arseholed; intoxicated; para-fuckin-lytic.
I guess you're committed to being a belligerent troll. Good to know.
I've been called worse by better.
--
impersonate Stalin : v. To perform oral sex on a woman; don the beard;
eat hairy pie; as in 'Hold tight up there love, I'm just gonna do a
quick impersonation of Stalin'.
Michael Gordge
2011-01-29 22:16:14 UTC
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On Jan 28, 8:46 pm, Kadaitcha Man <***@anon.anon> wrote:

Crap snipped.

Man doesn't have to be conscious for his dog to exist, however he does
have to be conscious for his god to exist.

Dogs exist as something to dream about, gods dont.

No-one has had a dream about god because god is nothing to dream
about.

But loooook Kad, if ewe have had a dream about god, then why dont ewe
explain what it was that ewe saw in your dream that ewe can say for
certain was 'god'?

MG
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-30 00:43:52 UTC
Permalink
Michael Gordge, what a backward manikin comes this way. Ye are a
mud-soaked velvet guard, a dizzy-eyed deformed thief, a nauseating
picture out of doors, an overwheening jackanape, thou cacodemon. Ye
Post by Michael Gordge
Crap snipped.
Ditto.
--
orgasm See fanny bomb, ring the bell, shoot your load, chuck your muck.
b***@gmail.com
2011-01-30 03:48:45 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 29, 4:43 pm, Kadaitcha Man
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Michael Gordge, what a backward manikin comes this way. Ye are a
mud-soaked velvet guard, a dizzy-eyed deformed thief, a nauseating
picture out of doors, an overwheening jackanape, thou cacodemon. Ye
Post by Michael Gordge
Crap snipped.
Ditto.
--
orgasm See fanny bomb, ring the bell, shoot your load, chuck your muck.
You are all acting like a bunch of pre adolescence kids.

Goodbye....

BOfL
Kadaitcha Man
2011-01-30 07:28:29 UTC
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***@gmail.com, o ye venomed cony-catching rascal, ye sottish
beastly feeder. Ye wanton rug-headed kernes which live like venom, so
On Jan 29, 4:43 pm, Kadaitcha Man
Post by Kadaitcha Man
Michael Gordge, what a backward manikin comes this way. Ye are a
mud-soaked velvet guard, a dizzy-eyed deformed thief, a nauseating
picture out of doors, an overwheening jackanape, thou cacodemon. Ye
Post by Michael Gordge
Crap snipped.
Ditto.
--
orgasm See fanny bomb, ring the bell, shoot your load, chuck your muck.
You are all acting like a bunch of pre adolescence kids.
Goodbye....
Door > arse > slam

HTH
--
top banana : exclamation Give that man a coconut;
whack-o-the-diddle-oh.
b***@gmail.com
2011-01-30 03:14:47 UTC
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Post by Michael Gordge
Crap snipped.
Man doesn't have to be conscious for his dog to exist, however he does
have to be conscious for his god to exist.
Dogs exist as something to dream about, gods dont.
No-one has had a dream about god because god is nothing to dream
about.
But loooook Kad, if ewe have had a dream about god, then why dont ewe
explain what it was that ewe saw in your dream that ewe can say for
certain was 'god'?
MG
So you state chocolate doesnt exist, and then you ask someone to
describe the taste...oh dear....

Like a volcano, your venom spews out because of the overwhelming
internal pressure .

BOfL

BOfL
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