You Will Burn in Hell!

Post by Reverend Wright
"Jesus

Fuck you, fuck your jeebus, and fuck the camel he rode in on.

Les Hellawell

2013-12-25 12:12:05 UTC

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 21:34:00 -0800, Reverend Wright
<***@hotmail.com> wrote:

Violence is never far away from the thoughts of these nasty
people with these threats of 'burning in hell' simply because
we do not accept what they say on their say so

Christianity?

Just say NO!

<more boring religion snipped>

Can these obessiives never give it a rest the tedious
buggers.

--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

James

2013-12-29 15:07:41 UTC

Post by Les Hellawell
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 21:34:00 -0800, Reverend Wright
Violence is never far away from the thoughts of these nasty
people with these threats of 'burning in hell' simply because
we do not accept what they say on their say so
Christianity?
Just say NO!
<more boring religion snipped>
Can these obessiives never give it a rest the tedious
buggers.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

The BIBLE does not teach of a sadistic God who fries people like on a
hot grill. To accuse God of such an astroncity should be a crime. The
bible "hell" is the common grave of dead mankind.

"In Old Testament times, the Israelites believed that all the dead,
both good and evil, went to a dark, unhappy place called Sheol." (The
1999 World Book Encyclopedia)

"hell

...It developed out of Hebrew sheol and Greek hades as the place of
the dead. (Webster's World Encyclopedia)

"...English translations have equally given Sheol a great variety of
appearances: it has been shown as "a pit," "a grave," or -
misleadingly - "hell."" (Webster's World Encyclopedia)

James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

thomas p.

2013-12-29 16:25:00 UTC

The BIBLE does not teach of a sadistic God who fries people like on a
hot grill. To accuse God of such an astroncity should be a crime.

You are an idiot if you think we are accusing god of anything. You just
refuse to understand what is being said don't you.

The

Post by James
bible "hell" is the common grave of dead mankind.
"In Old Testament times, the Israelites believed that all the dead,
both good and evil, went to a dark, unhappy place called Sheol." (The
1999 World Book Encyclopedia)

Many cultures had such beliefs. It is strange that such primitive ideas
still persist in modern society - more sad than strange.

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

Christopher A. Lee

2013-12-29 23:09:03 UTC

The BIBLE does not teach of a sadistic God who fries people like on a
hot grill. To accuse God of such an astroncity should be a crime. The
bible "hell" is the common grave of dead mankind.

The Bible doesn't "teach" anything at all, brainwashed moron - that is
an Orwellian redefinition to make it seem to the stupid and gullible
that it is authoritative.

AND NOBODY IS "ACCUSING" THE FICTIONAL OF ANYTHING, IMBECILE - JUST
APPLYING LOGIC TO WHAT YOU MORONS RUB IN OUR FACES ALL DAY AND EVERY
DAY.

Post by James
"In Old Testament times, the Israelites believed that all the dead,
both good and evil, went to a dark, unhappy place called Sheol." (The
1999 World Book Encyclopedia)

SO WHAT?

Post by James
"hell
...It developed out of Hebrew sheol and Greek hades as the place of
the dead. (Webster's World Encyclopedia)

And they're wrong - it comes from the Saxon and Norse Hel.

Post by James
"...English translations have equally given Sheol a great variety of
appearances: it has been shown as "a pit," "a grave," or -
misleadingly - "hell."" (Webster's World Encyclopedia)

Even if that were true, SO FUCKING WHAT?

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Were you this stupid and this dishonest before you became a JW, or did
they do that to you?

thomas p.

2013-12-30 18:36:23 UTC

snip

Post by James
...It developed out of Hebrew sheol and Greek hades as the place of
the dead. (Webster's World Encyclopedia)

And they're wrong - it comes from the Saxon and Norse Hel.

About 4 miles from where I live there is a village named Helsted. It was
originally a center of worship for the god of the underworld Hel. It is
actually a nice little place, and human sacrifice has pretty much fallen
into disuse : )

Post by James
"...English translations have equally given Sheol a great variety of
appearances: it has been shown as "a pit," "a grave," or -
misleadingly - "hell."" (Webster's World Encyclopedia)

Even if that were true, SO FUCKING WHAT?

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Were you this stupid and this dishonest before you became a JW, or did
they do that to you?

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

k***@baawa.com

2013-12-26 04:10:04 UTC

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 21:34:00 -0800, Reverend Wright

Post by Reverend Wright
ONLY Jesus has the
nail-scared hands and feet.

That why he can't walk on water or eat Jelly Beans anymore.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Dakota

2013-12-26 04:20:57 UTC

Post by Les Hellawell
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 21:34:00 -0800, Reverend Wright

Post by Reverend Wright
ONLY Jesus has the
nail-scared hands and feet.

That why he can't walk on water or eat Jelly Beans anymore.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA

He can't play peek-a-boo either.

THE COLONEL

2013-12-26 13:49:48 UTC

Thank, but I don't like yer momma's cookin'.
LOL

Jeanne Douglas

2013-12-27 07:15:48 UTC

Post by Reverend Wright
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6
It's Jesus or Hell!

Have you forgotten that until you provide some objective and verifiable
evidence that either of these exist there's nothing to discuss?

--
JD

"If our country is going broke, let it be from
feeding the poor and caring for the elderly.
And not from pampering the rich and fighting
wars for them."--Living Blue in a Red State (seen on Facebook)

Doc Smartass

2013-12-28 07:18:34 UTC

Subject: You Will Burn in Hell!

You go first. All fundies go there.

--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling aa # 1939

Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/
Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/
Everything Else! http://pareidolia-global.blogspot.com/

Sure, wingtards have opinions...but, like, who cares?

SkyEyes

2013-12-29 07:41:05 UTC

Post by Doc Smartass

Subject: You Will Burn in Hell!

You go first. All fundies go there.

"Go" there? Fundies already *are* there.

--
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

Alex W

2013-12-29 10:06:05 UTC

Post by SkyEyes

Post by Doc Smartass

Subject: You Will Burn in Hell!

You go first. All fundies go there.

"Go" there? Fundies already *are* there.

Disagree.

A good image of hell would be being forced to share the
afterlife, fundies and non-believers cheek by jowl. They
would absolutely LOATHE it.

SkyEyes

2013-12-30 06:37:23 UTC

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Post by Alex W

Post by SkyEyes

Post by Doc Smartass

Subject: You Will Burn in Hell!

You go first. All fundies go there.

"Go" there? Fundies already *are* there.

Disagree.
A good image of hell would be being forced to share the
afterlife, fundies and non-believers cheek by jowl. They
would absolutely LOATHE it.

Alex, I used to *be* a fundie. Trust me when I tell you how utterly and
completely miserable they all are, all the time. I met fundies who
*claimed* to be joyous and happy, but the condition never withstood close
scrutiny.

--
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

James

2013-12-29 15:03:26 UTC

The Bible teaches that not every good person goes to Heaven. For
example, John the Baptist (who was a good person) did not make it to
Heaven. Jesus tells us this at Mt 11:11,

"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)

Also, King David, ("a man agreeable to my heart"-Ac 13:22), did not
make it to Heaven either. Ac 2:34,

"For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, "The Lord said
to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand""" (NIV)

And Jesus plainly states that at the time he made the following
statement, NO human had ever been to Heaven. Not Moses, King David,
Ezekiel, etc, no one. Joh 3:13,

"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from
heaven--the Son of Man." (NIV)

Thus at least up to Jesus' time, all good men who died did not go to
Heaven. Then where did they go? They are still in the common grave of
mankind, called "Sheol" in the Bible. The wise man Solomon said that
all men end up in Sheol. Ec 9:10,

"Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is
no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are
going." (RSV)

The hope for those in "sheol" is a resurrection. Luke wrote at Ac
24:15,

"and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a
resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." (NIV)

So who make it to Heaven? Jesus referred to those who will be in
Heaven as a "little flock". (Lu 12:32) Why is it "little"? Because the
number going to Heaven is limited to "a hundred and forty-four
thousand". (Re 7:4; 14:1)

What are those 144,000 going to do in Heaven, float around on clouds
and play harps? No, they are to going to be kings and priests, and
rule over those who will be on the earth. (If you are a king, you have
to have subjects) Re 5:10,

"You changed them into a kingdom and priests for our God. They will
rule over the earth." (Simple English Bible)

The rest of mankind will have the opportunity to live forever on the
earth, just as God originally intended with the human family when He
created Adam and Eve. Jesus referred to that group as "other sheep"
(John 10:16). Jesus also was talking about that group at Mt 5:5,

"Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth."

You can't "inherit the earth" or "rule" over it, if there is no one
left on it. (or if the earth has been destroyed) If all humans either
went to a 'hellfire' or to Heaven when they died (or got raptured),
there would be no one left. No, the Bible clearly shows that humans
will be on the earth forever, as well as some in Heaven forever.

Please verify these scriptures in your Bible and if you have any
questions don't hesitate to ask.

James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by Reverend Wright
Salvation happens when a person acknowledges their guilt of sin, coming
to God on the basis of being a hell-deserving sinner; believing on
Jesus, the Christ, the Son of God to forgive their sins (Acts 10:43).
Salvation is receiving; not giving. Eternal life is the gift of God
(Romans 6:23). Salvation is freely given (Romans 5:15), freely offered
(Romans 10:13), and freely received (Revelation 22:17). We are saved
solely by Christ's righteousness, which is through faith in His precious
blood that washes our sins away. If you come to God as a guilty sinner
and believe on the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness, then you will
be saved. The choice is your alone to make friend. Will you accept
Christ's payment for your sins?
All God the Father asks is that you come to Him THROUGH His dear Son,
Jesus, the Christ, for forgiveness.

thomas p.

2013-12-29 16:21:13 UTC

snip

Post by James
The Bible teaches that not every good person goes to Heaven. For
example, John the Baptist (who was a good person) did not make it to
Heaven. Jesus tells us this at Mt 11:11,
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)
Also, King David, ("a man agreeable to my heart"-Ac 13:22), did not
make it to Heaven either. Ac 2:34,
"For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, "The Lord said
to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand""" (NIV)
And Jesus plainly states that at the time he made the following
statement, NO human had ever been to Heaven. Not Moses, King David,
Ezekiel, etc, no one. Joh 3:13,
"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from
heaven--the Son of Man." (NIV)
Thus at least up to Jesus' time, all good men who died did not go to
Heaven. Then where did they go? They are still in the common grave of
mankind, called "Sheol" in the Bible. The wise man Solomon said that
all men end up in Sheol. Ec 9:10,
"Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is
no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are
going." (RSV)
The hope for those in "sheol" is a resurrection. Luke wrote at Ac
24:15,
"and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a
resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." (NIV)
So who make it to Heaven? Jesus referred to those who will be in
Heaven as a "little flock". (Lu 12:32) Why is it "little"? Because the
number going to Heaven is limited to "a hundred and forty-four
thousand". (Re 7:4; 14:1)
What are those 144,000 going to do in Heaven, float around on clouds
and play harps? No, they are to going to be kings and priests, and
rule over those who will be on the earth. (If you are a king, you have
to have subjects) Re 5:10,
"You changed them into a kingdom and priests for our God. They will
rule over the earth." (Simple English Bible)
The rest of mankind will have the opportunity to live forever on the
earth, just as God originally intended with the human family when He
created Adam and Eve. Jesus referred to that group as "other sheep"
(John 10:16). Jesus also was talking about that group at Mt 5:5,
"Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth."
You can't "inherit the earth" or "rule" over it, if there is no one
left on it. (or if the earth has been destroyed) If all humans either
went to a 'hellfire' or to Heaven when they died (or got raptured),
there would be no one left. No, the Bible clearly shows that humans
will be on the earth forever, as well as some in Heaven forever.
Please verify these scriptures in your Bible and if you have any
questions don't hesitate to ask.

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

snip--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

James

2013-12-30 18:53:35 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true. It describes things of science
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Also, the Bible tells us about the Creator, thus all these millions
complex machines running around just didn't piece themselves together
over time. Have you ever seen a machine piece itself together without
a mind behind it? Neither have I. Thus SOMEONE very powerful brought
all these things into existence.

James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by thomas p.
snip--
thomas p
Ignorance is the mother of devotion.
David Hume

linuxgal

2013-12-30 19:37:09 UTC

Post by James
Have you ever seen a machine piece itself together without
a mind behind it? Neither have I. Thus SOMEONE very powerful brought
all these things into existence.

Who pieced that SOMEONE into existence?

Christopher A. Lee

2013-12-30 13:50:05 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has

Books of myths don't "want" anything, imbecile.

But seeing how you stupidly imagine everybody takes it seriously, stop
being such a hypocrite and PROVE IT.

And when it finally percolates through your thick skull that you
can't, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

Post by James
prophecies which have been proven true. It describes things of science
which were not understood at the time.

Why do you keep repeating this lie, imbecile?

Post by James
Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

CIRCLES AREN'T SPHERES, imbecile.

AND IT DOESN'T FLOAT.

Post by James
Also, the Bible tells us about the Creator,

Once again, you rudely and stupidly beg the question that you never
answer....

WHAT FUCKING CREATOR?

Post by James
thus all these millions
complex machines running around just didn't piece themselves together
over time. Have you ever seen a machine piece itself together without
a mind behind it? Neither have I. Thus SOMEONE very powerful brought
all these things into existence.

Failed logic 101, imbecile?

LOOK UP "NON-SEQUITUR".

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Why aren't you in the psych ward?

Mitchell Holman

2013-12-30 22:25:16 UTC

Post by James
The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true. It describes things of science
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

The Bible doesn't say that.

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the
------> four corners of the earth <----------

Revelation 7:3
and will go out to deceive the nations in
-----> the four corners of the earth <---------

Job 28:24
for he views the ------> ends of the earth <------
and sees everything ----> under the heavens. <-------

Deuteronomy 28:49
The Lord will bring a nation against you from
far away, from -----> the ends of the earth <-------

Jeanne Douglas

2013-12-31 00:24:29 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist

2013-12-31 07:24:24 UTC

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.

Jeff...

Jeanne Douglas

2013-12-31 11:23:18 UTC

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.

Sure it is. It's called gravity.

1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist

2014-01-01 20:36:29 UTC

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message news:
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.

~ Sure it is. It's called gravity.

An invisible force created by God that cannot be seen or touched.....{;o;}

Jeff...

Free Lunch

2014-01-01 21:40:41 UTC

On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 20:36:29 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.

~ Sure it is. It's called gravity.
An invisible force created by God that cannot be seen or touched.....{;o;}
Jeff...

It is a force that can be measured.

Why do you allege that God created it. You know that you cannot back up
that claim.

1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist

2014-01-02 22:51:08 UTC

"Free Lunch" wrote in message news: "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.

~ Sure it is. It's called gravity.
An invisible force created by God that cannot be seen or touched.....{;o;}
Jeff...

~ It is a force that can be measured.

It still cannot be seen or even logically explained to anyone for thousands
of years.....{;o;}

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Why do you allege that God created it.

No-one else has the awesome knowledge or capability!

Jeff...

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
that claim.

Christopher A. Lee

2014-01-03 14:26:15 UTC

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:51:08 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Free Lunch" wrote in message news: "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.

~ Sure it is. It's called gravity.
An invisible force created by God that cannot be seen or touched.....{;o;}
Jeff...

~ It is a force that can be measured.
It still cannot be seen or even logically explained to anyone for thousands
of years.....{;o;}

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Why do you allege that God created it.

No-one else has the awesome knowledge or capability!

Where did you demonstrate its existence outside your deluded
imagination before rudely and stupidly talking AT those outside your
religion as if it did anything, imbecile?

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Jeff...

Free Lunch

2014-01-03 15:49:54 UTC

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:51:08 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Free Lunch" wrote in message news: "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.

~ Sure it is. It's called gravity.
An invisible force created by God that cannot be seen or touched.....{;o;}
Jeff...

~ It is a force that can be measured.
It still cannot be seen or even logically explained to anyone for thousands
of years.....{;o;}

Science is complicated. It is much easier for some people to make up
stories about gods so they don't have to bother to do any work learning
about science.

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Why do you allege that God created it.

No-one else has the awesome knowledge or capability!

There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Jeff...

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
that claim.

1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist

2014-01-04 08:15:52 UTC

"Free Lunch" wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:51:08 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Free Lunch" wrote in message news: "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.

~ Sure it is. It's called gravity.
An invisible force created by God that cannot be seen or touched.....{;o;}
Jeff...

~ It is a force that can be measured.
It still cannot be seen or even logically explained to anyone for thousands
of years.....{;o;}

Science is complicated. It is much easier for some people to make up
stories about gods so they don't have to bother to do any work learning
about science.

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Why do you allege that God created it.

No-one else has the awesome knowledge or capability!

~There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

The evidence is all around you throughout the earth, and the heavens,
if only you opened your eyes to see it.

Take a good look in the mirror and see a created miraculously living
creature before your very eyes.

For man with all his 'intelligence' cannot
create a living organism, the secret is denied to him.

Jeff...

THE COLONEL

2014-01-04 13:57:07 UTC

The yung cunt said.
I then took both hands and pulled her skirt down around her ankles.
Then I spread her legs and fucked her, like a hounddog fuckin'a a football.
I blew my load.
End of story.

FIONA

2014-01-05 07:18:03 UTC

Post by THE COLONEL
The yung cunt said.
I then took both hands and pulled her skirt down around her ankles.
Then I spread her legs and fucked her, like a hounddog fuckin'a a football.
I blew my load.
End of story.

Note Quite the end of the story !!!

FIONA

2014-01-05 12:58:59 UTC

Then the young cunt wanted to go hunt out and fuck THE COLONEL but his
penis would not rise to a second occassion, so he went and got his Mum
Fiona to get her Dildo and while he held down The Colonel she invaded
his anus and he loved it, apart from the fact his bowels were loose for
a week and he found it extremely hard to walk properly, but in the end
he figured it was well worth it.

THE COLONEL

2014-01-05 14:44:44 UTC

Post by FIONA

Then the young cunt wanted to go hunt out and fuck THE COLONEL but his
penis would not rise to a second occassion, so he went and got his Mum
Fiona to get her Dildo and while he held down The Colonel she invaded his
anus and he loved it, apart from the fact his bowels were loose for a week
and he found it extremely hard to walk properly, but in the end he figured
it was well worth it.

The title of that short excerpt, folks, is Visions of a Shemale.
LOL

FIONA

2014-01-06 05:21:30 UTC

Post by THE COLONEL

Post by FIONA

Then the young cunt wanted to go hunt out and fuck THE COLONEL but his
penis would not rise to a second occassion, so he went and got his Mum
Fiona to get her Dildo and while he held down The Colonel she invaded
his anus and he loved it, apart from the fact his bowels were loose
for a week and he found it extremely hard to walk properly, but in the
end he figured it was well worth it.

The title of that short excerpt, folks, is Visions of a Shemale.
LOL

No No No darling Colonel

I am just a normal hetro female who can recognise your secret desire to
be taught to be humble.
It is ok I do understand thisand am prepared to help you will salvation
from your predicament

FIONA

Free Lunch

2014-01-04 20:14:58 UTC

On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 08:15:52 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:51:08 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Free Lunch" wrote in message news: "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.

~ Sure it is. It's called gravity.
An invisible force created by God that cannot be seen or touched.....{;o;}
Jeff...

~ It is a force that can be measured.
It still cannot be seen or even logically explained to anyone for thousands
of years.....{;o;}

Science is complicated. It is much easier for some people to make up
stories about gods so they don't have to bother to do any work learning
about science.

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Why do you allege that God created it.

No-one else has the awesome knowledge or capability!

~There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.
The evidence is all around you throughout the earth, and the heavens,
if only you opened your eyes to see it.

No. You don't get to just assert that X is evidence. You need a
hypothesis and a test that shows that it is evidence.

Post by Christopher A. Lee
Take a good look in the mirror and see a created miraculously living
creature before your very eyes.

There's nothing created or miraculous about people. You are making
empty, indefensible assertions.

Post by Christopher A. Lee
For man with all his 'intelligence' cannot
create a living organism, the secret is denied to him.

How do you think we get babies.

1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist

2014-01-08 21:26:28 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe,
and science can barely scratch it's surface.

Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains
with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.

As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.

"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power
and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Jeff...

August Rode

2014-01-08 23:26:32 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Nice series of arguments from ignorance. Lovely. Got anything that isn't
fallacious?

Andrew

2014-01-09 08:02:44 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Nice series of arguments from ignorance.

Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.

Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.

Barry OGrady

2014-01-09 09:15:33 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Nice series of arguments from ignorance.

Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.

You think you know things you don't actually know.
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
In that way I have an advantage over you.

--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!

Andrew

2014-01-09 10:17:00 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Nice series of arguments from ignorance.

Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.

You think you know things you don't actually know.

No, I positively know what I know because I have solid
evidence from multiple sources.

Post by Barry OGrady
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.

Then get to work and do your homework and personal
research.

Post by Barry OGrady
In that way I have an advantage over you.

No, ignorance is a disadvantage.

Barry OGrady

2014-01-09 12:20:59 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Nice series of arguments from ignorance.

Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.

You think you know things you don't actually know.

No, I positively know what I know because I have solid
evidence from multiple sources.

Many Christians have made that claim but none have been
able to provide any evidence.

Post by Barry OGrady
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.

Then get to work and do your homework and personal
research.

That's normally good advice but the information is not available.

You think you know things you don't actually know.
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
In that way I have an advantage over you.

Post by Barry OGrady
In that way I have an advantage over you.

No, ignorance is a disadvantage.

You are ignorant of your ignorance.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!

Free Lunch

2014-01-09 23:28:54 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Nice series of arguments from ignorance.

Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.

You think you know things you don't actually know.

No, I positively know what I know because I have solid
evidence from multiple sources.

Then you are not talking about your religious claims any more because
you know that you have absolutely no evidence to support your religious
claims.

Post by Barry OGrady
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.

Then get to work and do your homework and personal
research.

Post by Barry OGrady
In that way I have an advantage over you.

No, ignorance is a disadvantage.

Yet you worship your own ignorance.

August Rode

2014-01-09 13:11:22 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Nice series of arguments from ignorance.

Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.

What's to refute, Andrew? Some of his statements are true and the
remainder are his personal opinion, unsupported by any facts.

Post by Andrew
Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.

When one side unilaterally declares victory before it fires the first
shot, the other side is permitted to laugh.

Free Lunch

2014-01-09 23:27:47 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Nice series of arguments from ignorance.

Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.

What a pile of bovine excrement you spew.

Ralph

2014-01-11 01:27:45 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Nice series of arguments from ignorance.

Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.

Can you refute the claim that Pink Unicorns didn't create the universe
and that they are the gods of
the universe? Didn't think so.

Andrew

2014-01-11 02:42:16 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

Nice series of arguments from ignorance.

Yet you are *unable* to refute them. So you don't even try.
Which is in itself *evidence* of their veracity, and that you
have been *deceived* into accepting a false worldview.

Can you refute the claim that Pink Unicorns didn't
create the universe and that they are the gods of
the universe? Didn't think so.

At least we agree that- the Universe
is the result of --> Creation.

Ralph

2014-01-09 01:29:12 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe,
and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains
with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power
and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)
Jeff...

But...but...who created this 'god'. If you say he has always existed
you'll have to show me the evidence.

Andrew

2014-01-09 08:00:08 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal
power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what
has been made, so that men are without excuse." Romans 1:20 (NIV)
Jeff...

But...but...who created this 'god'.

You don't know, nevertheless He is.

Barry OGrady

2014-01-09 09:14:47 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal
power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what
has been made, so that men are without excuse." Romans 1:20 (NIV)
Jeff...

But...but...who created this 'god'.

You don't know, nevertheless He is.

The creator of God must be beyond awesome.
Such a finely tuned God can not have come about by chance.

--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!

Free Lunch

2014-01-09 23:29:45 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal
power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what
has been made, so that men are without excuse." Romans 1:20 (NIV)
Jeff...

But...but...who created this 'god'.

You don't know, nevertheless He is.

Andrew worships the falsehoods he preaches.

Ralph

2014-01-11 01:26:20 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal
power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what
has been made, so that men are without excuse." Romans 1:20 (NIV)
Jeff...

But...but...who created this 'god'.

You don't know, nevertheless He is.

From your reply, it appears you don't know 'jack' either.

Barry OGrady

2014-01-11 02:11:34 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal
power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what
has been made, so that men are without excuse." Romans 1:20 (NIV)
Jeff...

But...but...who created this 'god'.

You don't know, nevertheless He is.

From your reply, it appears you don't know 'jack' either.

Christians don't know that they don't know things.

--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!

duke

2014-01-09 13:14:14 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe,
and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains
with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power
and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)
Jeff...

But...but...who created this 'god'. If you say he has always existed
you'll have to show me the evidence.

Impossible. No flesh will ever be able to do that.

duke, American-American
*****
When Obama was elected, he said he couldn't be more
proud for this country. Now, after 5 years, we Americans
will never be more disgusted with the mess he as created.
*****

Barry OGrady

2014-01-09 01:36:27 UTC

On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 21:26:28 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?

We do know there is no good and powerful God.

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Jeff...

--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!

Andrew

2014-01-09 08:03:05 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
"1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

Barry OGrady

2014-01-09 09:12:09 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
"1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

I have no question. I'm just pointing out the rock solid proof
of no God that is both good and almighty.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?

--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!

Andrew

2014-01-09 10:00:31 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
"1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

I have no question.

Intelligent folk should question.

Post by Barry OGrady
I'm just pointing out the rock solid
proof of no God that is both good and almighty.

But you use *false reasoning* by constructing a simplistic
formula, ignoring other factors that will influence the true
outcome of the equation.

Post by Barry OGrady
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

He is both willing and able.

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

But He is both willing and able.

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

It is a *temporary* phenomena
in the light of all eternity.

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he neither able nor willing?

No, He is both willing and able.

Post by Barry OGrady
Then why call him God?

Because He is and His eternal
purposes of love will prevail.

Barry OGrady

2014-01-09 12:30:25 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
"1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

I have no question.

Intelligent folk should question.

You are not intelligent.

Post by Barry OGrady
I'm just pointing out the rock solid
proof of no God that is both good and almighty.

But you use *false reasoning* by constructing a simplistic
formula, ignoring other factors that will influence the true
outcome of the equation.

Steve Willson made that same claim but like you he was unable
to find a loophole.

Post by Barry OGrady
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

He is both willing and able.

Then whence cometh evil?

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

But He is both willing and able.

Then whence cometh evil?

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

It is a *temporary* phenomena
in the light of all eternity.

Then God is not both willing and able temporally.

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he neither able nor willing?

No, He is both willing and able.

Then whence cometh evil?

Post by Barry OGrady
Then why call him God?

Because He is and His eternal
purposes of love will prevail.

If God was good he would want everything to be good for us.
If God was almighty he would be able to have what he wants.
That's logic and no amount of Christian bullshit can change that.

You think you know things you don't actually know.
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
In that way I have an advantage over you.

--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!

Free Lunch

2014-01-09 23:32:28 UTC

On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:30:25 +1100, Barry OGrady

Post by Christopher A. Lee
"1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

I have no question.

Intelligent folk should question.

You are not intelligent.

Post by Barry OGrady
I'm just pointing out the rock solid
proof of no God that is both good and almighty.

But you use *false reasoning* by constructing a simplistic
formula, ignoring other factors that will influence the true
outcome of the equation.

Steve Willson made that same claim but like you he was unable
to find a loophole.

Post by Barry OGrady
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

He is both willing and able.

Then whence cometh evil?

Andrew is in denial about the absurd inconsistency of his indefensible
religious claims.

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

But He is both willing and able.

Then whence cometh evil?

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

It is a *temporary* phenomena
in the light of all eternity.

Then God is not both willing and able temporally.

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he neither able nor willing?

No, He is both willing and able.

Then whence cometh evil?

Post by Barry OGrady
Then why call him God?

Because He is and His eternal
purposes of love will prevail.

If God was good he would want everything to be good for us.
If God was almighty he would be able to have what he wants.
That's logic and no amount of Christian bullshit can change that.
You think you know things you don't actually know.
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
In that way I have an advantage over you.

If there were a god, it would be silly for him to hide from us. A god
that actually exists would have no need for "followers" who make excuses
for his disappearance and make excuses for evil.

duke

2014-01-10 17:12:20 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:30:25 +1100, Barry OGrady

Post by Christopher A. Lee
"1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

I have no question.

Intelligent folk should question.

You are not intelligent.

Post by Barry OGrady
I'm just pointing out the rock solid
proof of no God that is both good and almighty.

But you use *false reasoning* by constructing a simplistic
formula, ignoring other factors that will influence the true
outcome of the equation.

Steve Willson made that same claim but like you he was unable
to find a loophole.

Post by Barry OGrady
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

He is both willing and able.

Then whence cometh evil?

Andrew is in denial about the absurd inconsistency of his indefensible
religious claims.

And YOU think you can challenge him? Haahaahaa.

duke, American-American
*****
When Obama was elected, he said he couldn't be more
proud for this country. Now, after 5 years, we Americans
will never be more disgusted with the mess he as created.
*****

James

2014-01-12 01:28:31 UTC

Post by Free Lunch
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:30:25 +1100, Barry OGrady

Post by Christopher A. Lee
"1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

I have no question.

Intelligent folk should question.

You are not intelligent.

Post by Barry OGrady
I'm just pointing out the rock solid
proof of no God that is both good and almighty.

But you use *false reasoning* by constructing a simplistic
formula, ignoring other factors that will influence the true
outcome of the equation.

Steve Willson made that same claim but like you he was unable
to find a loophole.

Post by Barry OGrady
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

He is both willing and able.

Then whence cometh evil?

Andrew is in denial about the absurd inconsistency of his indefensible
religious claims.

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

But He is both willing and able.

Then whence cometh evil?

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

It is a *temporary* phenomena
in the light of all eternity.

Then God is not both willing and able temporally.

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he neither able nor willing?

No, He is both willing and able.

Then whence cometh evil?

Post by Barry OGrady
Then why call him God?

Because He is and His eternal
purposes of love will prevail.

If God was good he would want everything to be good for us.
If God was almighty he would be able to have what he wants.
That's logic and no amount of Christian bullshit can change that.
You think you know things you don't actually know.
I don't know either. But at least I know I don't know.
In that way I have an advantage over you.

If there were a god, it would be silly for him to hide from us. A god
that actually exists would have no need for "followers" who make excuses
for his disappearance and make excuses for evil.

The creator of billions of hot lumicent suns would vaporitize a
fleshly humns. Ex 33:20,

"But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and
live."" (NIV)

Thus be glad He doesn't appear before you. You would vaporize. As for
evil, That comes from demons and humans. As for God, Jas 1:13,

"When someone is being tested, he shouldn't think that God is tempting
him to do wrong. Evil cannot tempt God and God does not tempt anyone
with evil." (Simple English)

You are so wrong about your loving Creator. Don't mix up God's right
to punish wrongdoers with evil. God NEVER PUNISHED A RIGHTEOUS HUMAN.

James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

As for

Ralph

2014-01-11 01:34:15 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
"1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

I have no question.

Intelligent folk should question.

We did and decided that your god is a a fraud.

Post by Barry OGrady
I'm just pointing out the rock solid
proof of no God that is both good and almighty.

But you use *false reasoning* by constructing a simplistic
formula, ignoring other factors that will influence the true
outcome of the equation.

In what ways, Andrew?

Post by Barry OGrady
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

He is both willing and able.

Mmmm....any evidence of that?

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

But He is both willing and able.

Then why doesn't he?

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

It is a *temporary* phenomena
in the light of all eternity.

Evidence????

Post by Barry OGrady
Is he neither able nor willing?

No, He is both willing and able.

Then why doesn't he?

Post by Barry OGrady
Then why call him God?

Because He is and His eternal
purposes of love will prevail.

Sorry Andrew, your proposed god falls short on all three legs of the god
triangle.

Ralph

2014-01-11 01:29:15 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
"1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you descr
There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Are you going to provide us with some of this 'plenty' you say is
all around?
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

Aw shit Andrew, give it a rest!

Andrew

2014-01-11 02:35:19 UTC

Post by Barry OGrady
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

Aw shit Andrew, give it a rest!

Yes, Ralph..

"Our hearts are restless, until they find rest
in Thee." ~ Augustine of Hippo

Then may you like Augustine, soon find the
healing rest that we all may find in Him, and
experience release from all of anxieties that
have plagued the soul.

"Come unto Me all ye that labor and are heavy
laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke
upon you and learn of Me, for I am meek and
lowly in heart, and ye shall find rest unto your
souls." ~ Jesus

He is real.

He is the One who loves you.

Barry OGrady

2014-01-11 03:20:58 UTC

Post by Barry OGrady
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

Aw shit Andrew, give it a rest!

Yes, Ralph..
"Our hearts are restless, until they find rest
in Thee." ~ Augustine of Hippo
Then may you like Augustine, soon find the
healing rest that we all may find in Him, and
experience release from all of anxieties that
have plagued the soul.
"Come unto Me all ye that labor and are heavy
laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke
upon you and learn of Me, for I am meek and
lowly in heart, and ye shall find rest unto your
souls." ~ Jesus
He is real.
He is the One who loves you.

Like a pedophile 'loves' a child.

Is there some way we can escape God's 'love'?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!

Andrew

2014-01-11 10:10:58 UTC

Post by Barry OGrady
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

Aw shit Andrew, give it a rest!

Yes, Ralph..
"Our hearts are restless, until they find rest
in Thee." ~ Augustine of Hippo
Then may you like Augustine, soon find the
healing rest that we all may find in Him, and
experience release from all of anxieties that
have plagued the soul.
"Come unto Me all ye that labor and are heavy
laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke
upon you and learn of Me, for I am meek and
lowly in heart, and ye shall find rest unto your
souls." ~ Jesus
He is real.
He is the One who loves you.

Is there some way we can escape God's 'love'?

No, but you can foolishly turn away from Him
and reject it.

Post by Barry OGrady
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

There you go again reciting your foolish
mantra, the structure of which is based
upon false reasoning, by ignoring other
factors of the equation.

Barry OGrady

2014-01-11 10:26:23 UTC

Post by Barry OGrady
We do know there is no good and powerful God.

We do know that He is, however it appears that
you have a question concerning His beneficence.

Aw shit Andrew, give it a rest!

Yes, Ralph..
"Our hearts are restless, until they find rest
in Thee." ~ Augustine of Hippo
Then may you like Augustine, soon find the
healing rest that we all may find in Him, and
experience release from all of anxieties that
have plagued the soul.
"Come unto Me all ye that labor and are heavy
laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke
upon you and learn of Me, for I am meek and
lowly in heart, and ye shall find rest unto your
souls." ~ Jesus
He is real.
He is the One who loves you.

Is there some way we can escape God's 'love'?

No, but you can foolishly turn away from Him
and reject it.

I hoped that by now the church had worked out a way
for us to avoid being abused by God.

There you go again reciting your foolish
mantra, the structure of which is based
upon false reasoning, by ignoring other
factors of the equation.

I am not aware of any other factors of the equation.
Would you be so kind as to elighten me?

--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!

Free Lunch

2014-01-09 23:27:13 UTC

On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 21:26:28 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.

No, no, no, no, no. You are a screaming fool. You do _not_ get to claim
that X is evidence for W just because you want it to be when there is
absolutely no identified way to tie them together. I realize that this
is a common conceit of theists, but it is false, it is dishonest, it is
foolish.

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
The human brain we are informed is the most complicated object in the
Universe, and science can barely scratch it's surface.

So what? That does not show us that there are any gods.

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Man cannot create life, or even the smallest grass-seed as the secret
remains with an Almighty Intelligent Creator.

It's not that much of a secret. It is an incredibly complex technical
undertaking that also requires a bit more scientific understanding. What
will your excuse be when scientists show that this can be done, just as
they have shown that viruses can be assembled.

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
As for the heavens, that is even more awesome proof of intelligent and
intrinsic design.

No it is not. There is absolutely no evidence at all that any gods, let
alone the one you prattle on about, had anything to do with anything at
all in the universe.

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his
eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
Romans 1:20 (NIV)

Don't waste our time with your meaningless quotations from any
scriptures until you can show that your scriptures are trustworthy.

1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist

2014-01-11 07:44:27 UTC

"Free Lunch" wrote in message news:
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"

Post by Free Lunch

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.

No, no, no, no, no.

Yes! yes! yes! yes! yes!
No-one in their right thinking logical mind would suggest that all the
heavens
and the earth and the laws that govern the Universe and the miraculous
diversity of life
just on the earth itself, came into being by unintelligent and spasmodic
mutant
configurations, better known as sheer blind chance and hopeless
uncoordinated happenings.
It just is not feasible even to a 10 year old.

Jeff...

Barry OGrady

2014-01-11 11:10:08 UTC

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 07:44:27 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"

Post by Free Lunch

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.

No, no, no, no, no.

Yes! yes! yes! yes! yes!

Will you be giving us some examples?

You think you know things that you do not actually know.

http://www.jesusandmo.net/2008/02/08/wise/

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
No-one in their right thinking logical mind would suggest that all the
heavens and the earth and the laws that govern the Universe and the
miraculous diversity of life just on the earth itself, came into being
by unintelligent and spasmodic mutant configurations, better known as
sheer blind chance and hopeless uncoordinated happenings.
It just is not feasible even to a 10 year old.

No-one in their right thinking logical mind would suggest that a
magical God pre-loaded with all knowledge and power came into
being by unintelligent and spasmodic mutant configurations, better
known as sheer blind chance and hopeless uncoordinated happenings.
It just is not feasible even to a 10 year old.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Jeff...

--
If you don't like what I say you can go know yourself!

August Rode

2014-01-11 16:53:03 UTC

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"

Post by Free Lunch

Post by Free Lunch
There's no evidence that your god exists or is as you describe.

There plenty all around you, if you can be bothered to open your eyes.

No, no, no, no, no.

I don't know of *anyone* who makes such a claim.

Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
It just is not feasible even to a 10 year old.

Children have invisible friends.

August Rode

2013-12-31 13:03:30 UTC

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.

The same is true of a stick lying on the ground but one wouldn't use the
word 'floating' to describe it.

Christopher A. Lee

2013-12-31 16:32:59 UTC

On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 07:24:24 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic

You've been told that the earth is not floating in space, so why are
you repeating this lie?

It is attached to nothing, neither is it secured in place by anything
physically
defined.
Jeff...

Have these imbeciles never heard of gravity?

thomas p.

2013-12-31 10:52:17 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.

It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

Post by James
Also, the Bible tells us about the Creator, thus all these millions
complex machines running around just didn't piece themselves together
over time. Have you ever seen a machine piece itself together without
a mind behind it? Neither have I. Thus SOMEONE very powerful brought
all these things into existence.

False analogy. We are not machines. We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by thomas p.
snip--
thomas p
Ignorance is the mother of devotion.
David Hume

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

James

2014-01-01 22:57:45 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

Post by James
We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Denying that we are not biological machines does not make it true.
Again, when have you ever seen a machine pop itself into existance?
Whether biological or mechanical?

James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by thomas p.
snip--
thomas p
Ignorance is the mother of devotion.
David Hume

thomas p.

2014-01-01 23:48:13 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

The book has been dated to the 6'th century bc.

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

In other words it is analogous to a machine. It is absurd to stretch the
analogy into claiming that a living cell is a machine.

Post by James
We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Denying that we are not biological machines does not make it true.
Again, when have you ever seen a machine pop itself into existance?
Whether biological or mechanical?

When have I seen a non-mechanical machine pop into existence? I have never
seen a non-mechanical machine period. Is that something like non-wet water?

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by thomas p.
snip--
thomas p
Ignorance is the mother of devotion.
David Hume

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

James

2014-01-02 20:38:31 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

The book has been dated to the 6'th century bc.

Job 26:7= 1473 BC
Isa 40:22= 732 BC

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

In other words it is analogous to a machine. It is absurd to stretch the
analogy into claiming that a living cell is a machine.

I am not claiming anything. That university above called a cell a
machine. A living cell is a highly complex machine. Only until
miniaturization was copying such a thing even feasible.

Post by James
We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Denying that we are not biological machines does not make it true.
Again, when have you ever seen a machine pop itself into existance?
Whether biological or mechanical?

When have I seen a non-mechanical machine pop into existence? I have never
seen a non-mechanical machine period. Is that something like non-wet water?

No, as the comparison showed, there are two kinds of machines on this
planet, living biological & non-living mechanical. A bicycle is an
example of a non-living mechanical machine. A rabbit is an example of
a living biological machine.

James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by thomas p.
snip--
thomas p
Ignorance is the mother of devotion.
David Hume

Christopher A. Lee

2014-01-02 20:43:11 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

The book has been dated to the 6'th century bc.

Job 26:7= 1473 BC
Isa 40:22= 732 BC

So what?

From your quibbling about that, you tacitly accept the rest of his
point.

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

In other words it is analogous to a machine. It is absurd to stretch the
analogy into claiming that a living cell is a machine.

I am not claiming anything. That university above called a cell a
machine. A living cell is a highly complex machine. Only until
miniaturization was copying such a thing even feasible.

ANALOGY, imbecile.

And like all analogies it only goes so far.

Post by James
We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Denying that we are not biological machines does not make it true.
Again, when have you ever seen a machine pop itself into existance?

Do you honestly not understand the difference between natural and
manufactured, or are you just being dishonest again?

Post by James
Whether biological or mechanical?

When have I seen a non-mechanical machine pop into existence? I have never
seen a non-mechanical machine period. Is that something like non-wet water?

Why can't you stop lying, pathological liar?

Is this a Jehovah's Witness sacrament?

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Get help.

Seriously.

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by thomas p.
snip--
thomas p
Ignorance is the mother of devotion.
David Hume

Jeanne Douglas

2014-01-03 00:15:16 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

The book has been dated to the 6'th century bc.

Job 26:7= 1473 BC
Isa 40:22= 732 BC

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

In other words it is analogous to a machine. It is absurd to stretch the
analogy into claiming that a living cell is a machine.

I am not claiming anything. That university above called a cell a
machine.

A university is not a person so it can't call a cell anything.

thomas p.

2014-01-03 15:37:46 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

The book has been dated to the 6'th century bc.

Job 26:7= 1473 BC
Isa 40:22= 732 BC

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

In other words it is analogous to a machine. It is absurd to stretch the
analogy into claiming that a living cell is a machine.

I am not claiming anything. That university above called a cell a
machine. A living cell is a highly complex machine. Only until
miniaturization was copying such a thing even feasible.

A living cell is not a machine. That you are unable to recognize an obvious
analogy is your problem.

Post by James
We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Denying that we are not biological machines does not make it true.
Again, when have you ever seen a machine pop itself into existance?
Whether biological or mechanical?

When have I seen a non-mechanical machine pop into existence? I have never
seen a non-mechanical machine period. Is that something like non-wet water?

So you will continue to talk about non-mechanical machines. That is funny
and sad at the same time.

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

James

2014-01-03 21:37:59 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

The book has been dated to the 6'th century bc.

Job 26:7= 1473 BC
Isa 40:22= 732 BC

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

In other words it is analogous to a machine. It is absurd to stretch the
analogy into claiming that a living cell is a machine.

I am not claiming anything. That university above called a cell a
machine. A living cell is a highly complex machine. Only until
miniaturization was copying such a thing even feasible.

A living cell is not a machine. That you are unable to recognize an obvious
analogy is your problem.

Like I said before, that Univeristy called a cell a machine. Thus it
can be thought of that way. A cell has moving parts, a rock does not.
Thus a rock is not a machine. If humans designed and created a complex
cell, would you not call it a machine?

Post by James
We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Denying that we are not biological machines does not make it true.
Again, when have you ever seen a machine pop itself into existance?
Whether biological or mechanical?

When have I seen a non-mechanical machine pop into existence? I have never
seen a non-mechanical machine period. Is that something like non-wet water?

So you will continue to talk about non-mechanical machines. That is funny
and sad at the same time.

What do you think the human body design is? It is a machine:

"THE BODY IS A COMPLEX MACHINE CONSISTING OF MANY SEPARATE,
INTERCONNECTED, INDIVIDUALLY VIBRATING MACHINES"
(http://www.anstendig.org/BodyAsMachine.html)

James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

thomas p.

2014-01-03 23:21:54 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

The book has been dated to the 6'th century bc.

Job 26:7= 1473 BC
Isa 40:22= 732 BC

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

In other words it is analogous to a machine. It is absurd to stretch the
analogy into claiming that a living cell is a machine.

I am not claiming anything. That university above called a cell a
machine. A living cell is a highly complex machine. Only until
miniaturization was copying such a thing even feasible.

A living cell is not a machine. That you are unable to recognize an obvious
analogy is your problem.

Post by James
We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Denying that we are not biological machines does not make it true.
Again, when have you ever seen a machine pop itself into existance?
Whether biological or mechanical?

When have I seen a non-mechanical machine pop into existence? I have never
seen a non-mechanical machine period. Is that something like non-wet water?

So you will continue to talk about non-mechanical machines. That is funny
and sad at the same time.

"THE BODY IS A COMPLEX MACHINE CONSISTING OF MANY SEPARATE,
INTERCONNECTED, INDIVIDUALLY VIBRATING MACHINES"
(http://www.anstendig.org/BodyAsMachine.html)

Have a nice day.

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

Jeanne Douglas

2014-01-04 04:46:09 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

The book has been dated to the 6'th century bc.

Job 26:7= 1473 BC
Isa 40:22= 732 BC

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

In other words it is analogous to a machine. It is absurd to stretch the
analogy into claiming that a living cell is a machine.

I am not claiming anything. That university above called a cell a
machine. A living cell is a highly complex machine. Only until
miniaturization was copying such a thing even feasible.

A living cell is not a machine. That you are unable to recognize an obvious
analogy is your problem.

Post by James
We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Denying that we are not biological machines does not make it true.
Again, when have you ever seen a machine pop itself into existance?
Whether biological or mechanical?

When have I seen a non-mechanical machine pop into existence? I have never
seen a non-mechanical machine period. Is that something like non-wet water?

So you will continue to talk about non-mechanical machines. That is funny
and sad at the same time.

No. It is not.

'

Jeanne Douglas

2014-01-02 08:22:47 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

Post by James
We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Denying that we are not biological machines does not make it true.

And declaring that we are does not make that true.

thomas p.

2014-01-02 15:41:05 UTC

Post by thomas p.
snip

I have a question. Why do believe that the Bible is of divine origin?

The Bible wants us to PROVE whatever we can. (1 Th 5:21) It has
prophecies which have been proven true.

No.
It describes things of science

Post by James
which were not understood at the time. Such as a circular (spherical)
earth floating in space. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7)

Circular is not spherical, and there were people then who considered the
possibility that the world was spherical, it did not take divine inspiration
to figure it out.

At around 1400 BC, who what that?

False analogy. We are not machines.

"The Cell as a Machine"
(www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/courses/w3150/lecture1.pdf?)

Post by James
We are not put together as machines
are but are produced by natural processes. Now, once again, why do you
believe the Bible is of divine origin.

Denying that we are not biological machines does not make it true.

And declaring that we are does not make that true.

It seems that we are non-mechanical machines. Isn't that a fascinating
concept?

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

Christopher A. Lee

2013-12-29 23:10:13 UTC

Post by James
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)

Why do you liars lie that t hisis "the truth", liar?

Dakota

2013-12-30 01:00:09 UTC

Post by James
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)

Why do you liars lie that t hisis "the truth", liar?

Why do they call it a kingdom? Why not a goddom?

thomas p.

2013-12-30 18:30:21 UTC

Post by Dakota

Post by James
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)

Why do you liars lie that t hisis "the truth", liar?

Why do they call it a kingdom? Why not a goddom?

It's a con job, so it should be called a condom.

Sorry, I am truly ashamed of myself - just not enough.

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

Dakota

2013-12-30 20:03:48 UTC

Post by Dakota

Post by James
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)

Why do you liars lie that t hisis "the truth", liar?

Why do they call it a kingdom? Why not a goddom?

It's a con job, so it should be called a condom.
Sorry, I am truly ashamed of myself - just not enough.

Now I feel ashamed for laughing - but not too ashamed.

linuxgal

2013-12-30 20:50:03 UTC

Post by Dakota

Post by James
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)

Why do you liars lie that t hisis "the truth", liar?

Why do they call it a kingdom? Why not a goddom?

Yeah, time to upgrade. Goddom it.

James

2013-12-30 19:00:34 UTC

Post by James
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)

Why do you liars lie that t hisis "the truth", liar?

The Bible says that some people will have the faith, and others not.
Thus we have a difference of opinion, but hopefully it won't always
be. (here, I left myself wide open, have fun)

James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Christopher A. Lee

2013-12-30 13:53:18 UTC

Post by James
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)

Why do you liars lie that t hisis "the truth", liar?

The Bible says that some people will have the faith, and others not.
Thus we have a difference of opinion, but hopefully it won't always
be. (here, I left myself wide open, have fun)

WHY DO YOU IMAGINE THE BIBLE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, pathological
narcissist?

Here's a clue....

YOU FIRST HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE BIBLE IS AUTHORITATIVE.

But you can't, you just assume it.

Even though it demonstrably isn't - things that you assume must be
true because they're in it, include physical impossibilities like the
entire Genesis myths.

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

James

2014-01-02 15:59:51 UTC

Post by James
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)

Why do you liars lie that t hisis "the truth", liar?

The Bible says that some people will have the faith, and others not.
Thus we have a difference of opinion, but hopefully it won't always
be. (here, I left myself wide open, have fun)

WHY DO YOU IMAGINE THE BIBLE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, pathological
narcissist?
Here's a clue....
YOU FIRST HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE BIBLE IS AUTHORITATIVE.
But you can't, you just assume it.

You appear to have already made your mind up, so what's the use? I
don't recall if I have given you the following, but it helps to show
that the Bible is authoritative. If you can, just look at it with an
open mind, because you are missing out on knowledge with a closed
mind:

Around 2000 years before the time of Columbus, and when there were all
kinds of mythological descriptions concerning the earth, such as the
ancient Hindu writings of the Ramayana which says that it rested on
the back of a giant turtle supported by 8 elephants etc, a Hebrew
prophet wrote in Isaiah 40:22,

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,..." (NIV)

The Hebrew word used here for "circle" is "hhug" which according to
some Hebrew scholars also has the meaning of "sphere". (for example
see: "A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B.
Davidson")

Some other Bible translations therefore say, "the globe of the earth"
(Douay Version, DRA,), and "round ball of earth" (MSG), "the round
earth." (Moffatt).

Also, out of the Book of Job comes the statement at Job 26:7,

"He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon
nothing." (RSV)

So the Bible in its poetic style, describes the earth as a circular
sphere 'hanging' upon "nothing" (floating) in a "void" (space). Since
orbital flight was not around back then, how could they have known
such things?

Even many of hundreds of years later from the writing of the book of
Job, the wise man Aristotle still believed things in the heavens were
attached to supports, not just floating there. Yet the Bible said the
earth "hangs...upon nothing." Pretty good 'guess' from a human's point
of view, about such things, if the Bible is only a fabrication of men,
is it not?

Post by Christopher A. Lee
Even though it demonstrably isn't - things that you assume must be
true because they're in it, include physical impossibilities like the
entire Genesis myths.

Alright, compare the Bible's accounts with true science. Just recall
that the men who wrote these things were not scientists, but usually
farmers etc:

"The science of mathematical probability offers striking proof that
the Genesis creation account must have come from a source with
knowledge of the events. The account lists 10 major stages in this
order: (1) a beginning; (2) a primitive earth in darkness and
enshrouded in heavy gases and water; (3) light; (4) an expanse or
atmosphere; (5) large areas of dry land; (6) land plants; (7) sun,
moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning; (8)
sea monsters and flying creatures; (9) wild and tame beasts, mammals;
(10) man. Science agrees that these stages occurred in this general
order. What are the chances that the writer of Genesis just guessed
this order? The same as if you picked at random the numbers 1 to 10
from a box, and drew them in consecutive order. The chances of doing
this on your first try are 1 in 3,628,800!" (Life- How did it get
here? By evolution or by creation?, 1985, p. 36)

Also compare the creation account in Genesis with the creation account
of the ancient Babylonians. (I don't recall if I mentioned this
before, but if not here it is)

The Babylonian creation account says the god Apsu along with the
goddess Tiamat created other gods. Apsu later on didn't like these
other gods and tried to kill them, but he ended up getting killed by
the god Ea. Tiamat was upset at the killing of Apsu and thus tried to
kill Ea. Instead, Ea's son Marduk killed her. Marduk split her body in
half, and with one half made the sky and the other half made the
earth. Marduk then with the help of Ra, made mankind from the blood of
the god, Kingu.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see that Genesis had
access to information that the rest of humanity (at least the
Babylonians, and none other than I ever read about) did not have at
that time.

James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Post by James
James
John 4:23,24
www.jw.org

Mitchell Holman

2014-01-02 21:42:13 UTC

Post by James
Alright, compare the Bible's accounts with true science. Just recall
that the men who wrote these things were not scientists, but usually
"The science of mathematical probability offers striking proof that
the Genesis creation account must have come from a source with
knowledge of the events. The account lists 10 major stages in this
order: (1) a beginning; (2) a primitive earth in darkness and
enshrouded in heavy gases and water; (3) light; (4) an expanse or
atmosphere; (5) large areas of dry land; (6) land plants; (7) sun,
moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning; (8)
sea monsters and flying creatures; (9) wild and tame beasts, mammals;
(10) man. Science agrees that these stages occurred in this general
order.

1) What science claims that birds existed
before land animals?

2) What science claims that the Earth
existed before the Sun did?

3) What science claims that water existed
on the earth before atmosphere and solid
ground did?

Jeanne Douglas

2014-01-03 00:17:10 UTC

Post by James
I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see that Genesis had
access to information that the rest of humanity (at least the
Babylonians, and none other than I ever read about) did not have at
that time.

You're right; it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

What it takes is a totally brainwashed and delusional idiot.

Christopher A. Lee

2014-01-03 14:31:12 UTC

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:17:10 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

You're right; it doesn't take a rocket scientist.
What it takes is a totally brainwashed and delusional idiot.

"The wholly babble is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth. So what they meant can only be my third-grade 'understanding'
of science. But there is no way they could have known it so it can
only have been inspired by a magical superbeing"

It's not just this loonie - Gordon/Antares is another. A particularly
stupid one was Vinod Isaac.

thomas p.

2013-12-31 10:56:08 UTC

Post by James
"I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen
anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the
kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (NIV)

Why do you liars lie that t hisis "the truth", liar?

The Bible says that some people will have the faith, and others not.
Thus we have a difference of opinion, but hopefully it won't always
be. (here, I left myself wide open, have fun)

The Bible says a lot of things, many of them stupid, many of them barbaric,
many of them contradict each other. Try being honest with yourself.

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

Stephen Furley

2013-12-31 23:04:35 UTC

"Reverend Wright" wrote in message news:g7uuu.64429$***@fx24.iad...

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me." —John 14:6

<Snip lots of nonsense>

No, I will burn in a crematorium; hell does no exist.

Nobody

2014-01-07 04:35:44 UTC