Post by Gray GhostPost by Tom McDonaldPost by Gray GhostPost by Tom McDonaldnews:428eae9d-05e2-49cb-93c2- cd454540c467
Post by Andre LievenI am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years.
Then who gives a fuck?
Apparently you care enough to snip the evidence that you are wrong.
What's the matter? Chickenshit? Yup.
Well, if you post something that is true...
Post by Tom McDonaldThe problem is we KNOW what the truth is. Your lies only reinforce the
phoniness of those who want this.
Even the person who started Canada health say it's broken.
Meanwhile Minister Stronach went to the US for her breast cancer
treatment amid reports at least 30% of Canadian women with breast
cancer were treated improperly.
Yeah, it's a fine system.
Coward and liar. :-)
So Stronach didn't go to the US to treat her breast cancer?
So Canada Health didn't acknowledge fucking up at least 30% of breast
cancer dignoses, while at the same time breast cancer survival rates
were
Post by Tom McDonaldPost by Gray Ghostincreasing in the US? (No surprise Stronach went to the US, now is it?)
So Castonguay didn't say Canadian health was a failure?
Would you care to address any of these facts, big mouth?
You first, chickenshit.
Um, I made assertions with sufficient detail to Google them.
I'll assume your refusal to answer is a surrender and an acknowledgement
that Canadian Health is a failure.
Please note that I did not post a long, rambling, vituperative filled rant
but posted essentially 3 bullet points. All of which are facts that can be
verified with a small amount of research/
Post by Tom McDonaldPost by Gray GhostWill there be anything else, or would you care to slink away while
retaining a modicum of dignity?
I guess running away with no dignity was the third choice.
Well, or I could have gone to bed, as I don't live on Usenet.
Here's what Andre wrote, and from which you have run away, snipping without
noting the snip:
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U.S. health care lies about Canada
Posted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/05/12/health-care-lies-about-canda.aspx#ixzz1CBklGo9z
Another American blowhard
Just who is this jerk, Rick Scott of propaganda-mongering
Conservatives for Patients’ Rights? He and his group are
fabricating negatives about Canada’s health care system
and I resent this. I am an American who has lived in Canada
for more than 35 years. I can vouch that the system is more
than adequate and is not run by civil servants but by doctors
who are able to treat everyone, rich or poor.
Mr. Scott, and other conservatives (code for rich) are against
universal health care without any justification whatsoever.
Their criticisms are in accurate and should not be broadcast.
Where are the ethics in network broadcasting? I saw one of
Scott’s ads on CNN recently and wondered why the same
curation of content was not imposed on CNN advertising
messages as is upheld editorially. If CNN is unwilling to vet
content, then where is the FCC?
The real story
Here are the facts as to why Canada’s medical system, far
from perfect, is dramatically better than America’s:
1. It is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire
population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.
2. Canada’s health care system which fully looks after 32
million people costs roughly what the private-sector health
insurance companies make in profits in the United States
looking after less than half the population for excessive
premiums.
3. Canada’s health care system is cheaper still if the
litigation costs of fighting over medical bills is eliminated as
it is when the government is the sole-insurer. Estimates are
that court costs and judgments add another 2 to 3% of GDP
to the total medical tab.
4. Canada’s health care system enhances economic
productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still
change employers and be employable because they are not
rejected by employers with health benefits due to pre-conditions.
5. Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than
in the U.S.
6. Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart
disease, are better than in the United States.
7. Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
8. No emergency is neglected in Canada.
9. Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to
blue-ribbon U.S. health care but that’s no comparing apples
with apples. More appropriately, the overall population’s care
should be compared and there are tens of millions of
Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.
10. No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills
whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due
to unpaid, high medical bills.
11. Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and
to seek multiple opinions.
12. Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than
American counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at
least a year in order to qualify to practice in Canada.
13. Drugs made and invented in the United States are
cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal
health care means volume discounts and savings passed
along to society. Americans are overpaying.
14. Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt
system where the highest risk people – veterans, the indigent
and elderly – are insured by governments but the “gravy” or
young, healthy people are handed over to private insurance
companies.
Is Canada’s system perfect? No and nobody said it was.
Networks should stop allowing propagandists to tell lies
and any arguments about other countries’ practices should
be ignored as totally irrelevant.
The United States is a rich and talented nation and it’s very
upsetting to me, as an American, that it does not have the
world’s best medical care for its citizens instead of one of
the worst.
Americans deserve better.
Post by Gray GhostPost by Tom McDonaldA dirty little truth none of the fucktards wants to talk about.
-That which is asserted against the evidence can be dismissed
without further evidence.-
Andre
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I expect you to ignore this. Again. As you are merely a right-wing
ditto-head, not an actual rational thinker.
Care to prove me wrong?
Oh, and why do Canadians overwhelmingly tell pollsters that they wouldn't
change their system for ours?
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Tom